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What About the Hillary Factor?

While I was in New York state this weekend I went shopping at the local grocery store. It was the largest in the area and was even larger than most in Washington D.C. Somehow during a rather long
checkout process we got around to discussing the political race. The woman bagging the groceries told me she wasn’t going to vote this time around, and she had voted in every presidential election before this one. I asked her why, and she said, “I am a Hillary person.” — I am not amazed at that kind of talk, as I hear it from my old feminist friends in Boston — but hearing it from an African-American woman in semi-rural New York was quite a shock.

What does this mean? There was a Wall Street Journal article this week that pointed out that people lie to pollsters all the time, and pollsters are having to design questions around that factor. The article focused on age and race as being the two unknown demographic factors.
But what about the Hillary factor? Has anyone taken that into account?

We are seeing a neck-and-neck race right now between Senators Obama and McCain, and in some swing states a few hundred votes can make a difference. Many pundits, myself included, have said Senator Obama needs a vice presidential candidate who can bring a state in.

That is true, but what about the lady in the grocery store? I am not sure that those women have been accounted for, and they could very well stay home. They are so mad that they could be the “Nader Factor” as we saw in the 2000 election and swing the election to Senator McCain.
Someone from the Obama campaign hopefully is counting them and courting them, or there will be a lot of crow eaten by Democrats and pundits.

84 Responses to “What About the Hillary Factor?”

Comment by Terry McGraw

As a conservative (this won’t be an anti-left rant, I promise), it seems to me that Hillary Clinton represents paradox. You don’t actually know at this point whether she is a friend or foe. She is formidable in either case and if she sees McCain as a one-term guy, as many (including myself) do, who knows what she might do. But you’re right, Ellen (did I actually just type that?). Someone in Obama’s camp had better start sweet-talking the Hillary crowd, with or without her help. That’s a big chunk of the electorate to just ignore and hope it shows up in November.

 
Comment by Randy

I think McCain should offer the VP slot to Hillary. I never thought that I would hear myself utter anything to that effect before, but I think she would be a great choice for the following reasons:

1) It would help re-emphasize his independant streak to the voters.
2) Smooth over his pro-life stance with many women.
3) Bring NY into the mix as a potentially red state.
4) Add a politician who has demonstrated how to kick Obama’s tail, even if she started late.
5) It would completely split the Dems, and bring the center of the nation over to the republicans.

It’ll never happen, but oh the drama if it did…

 
Comment by Mark

John McCain can win these votes especially if Ms. Clinton is not named as a running mate. He can speak to his record of working with both sides of the aisle. On the personal level he can empathize with these constituents by conveying his experience of being passed over in the 2000 election. And especially he cannot come across as condescending, but getting out there in public, speaking to women’s groups, addressing the concerns of two-income households and single-mom homes. It would not hurt if he named a woman VP candidate, demonstrating that he is the progressive candidate.

 
Comment by lane luttrell

Ms Ratner: Do you read your reader’s comments? Lane Luttrelll

 
Comment by Faithfulee

It is beginning to look like Obama NEEDS Hillary, as evidenced by the grocery store gal.

Also Hillary is exploring a2012 candidacy

And of course Bill Clinton’s roaring endorsement of Obama’s qualification.

 
Comment by Kathy

I am a Hillary Clinton supporter who thinks Obama just does not get what her canadidacy met and means to those of us women over 50. Finally, a woman to equal the playing field for the highest office in the land. I still do not find much of substance to Senator Obama. I am looking and listening but all I am hearing is polished rhetoric without depth. I am not cetain Mr. Obama thinks he needs anyone but I believe the country needs Hillary Clinton.

 
Comment by Carmine

Why surprise? Any woman, of any race, who witnessed the misogynistic behavior of the MSM, the DNC, the Obama campaign, and Obama himself will feel the same way about the elections as the woman in the grocery store.

 
Comment by hipelayne

So let me get this straight, you can have black men (Jackson, Sharpton) run against white men and not be a bit surprised that black women would vote for the white men. However, we have a black man running against a white woman and you are shocked that a black woman would want to vote for a white woman! Why would that be so strange? Were you just shocked that Hillary’s supporters aren’t all bitter, wrinkled, old white women clinging to their bibles and guns? You might want to check out those 18 million who voted for HSenator Clinton, you might be surprised - in fact, you might even see some black men supporting Senator Clinton! Oh my God! Could your heart stand such a shock??

 
Comment by Upstate Republican Clintonista

Upstate, NY will be difficult for Senator Obama to clinch. Senator Clinton is very popular up here with both Democrats AND Republicans. We have a closed Primary and I have many, many, Republican friends who wanted desperately for Senator Clinton to be the Democratic Nominee so they could vote for her in the GE. We did not change our party affiliation because it is Country before Party as far as we are concerned. We didn’t think we would have to vote Republican in November, but the DNC made some very bad choices and we will not support someone with such a flimsy resume and no true representation for minorities in the Senate [regarding policy].

Once the Democratic Convention is over and if Obama takes the nomination with or without Senator Clinton as his VP, I know the McCain signs will go up in earnest. Mine will go up with “Hillary for President” bumperstickers framing it.

 
Comment by RedWolf

how about instead of Hillary running in 2012 she KEEP running NOW! Yes, she never quit or conceded, she suspended her campaign. She can be nominated at the convention and STILL WIN!! Only the votes of the superDs put Obiwan in the lead and their votes dont count till the convention!! Dem Convention might be a LOT of fun!!

 
Comment by Manuel

Senator McCain will be a one term President. he will make this announcement sometime in Thanksgiving of 2011. It will be a health issue, not his, but, a family member.Senator Clinton was denied the nomination by some diabolical people.The inauguration of January 2013 will be a blast!

 
Comment by Hillicrat

Yup! A lot of crow. I hope they like it.

 
Comment by bpwer

The Hillary Factor is bigger than the DNC and MSM realize it to be. She should be the nominee!!!! Just listen again to her speech when she suspended her campaign. She is an encyclopedia of knowledge. But, Obama has the likes of George Soros and Moveon behind him. They don’t want Hillary. WE DO. So, the party is committing suicide.

 
Comment by SophieL

Obama needs Hillary’s voters, but he has done nothing to earn their votes. Many Hillary voters are going to either vote McCain, vote down-ticket only, or stay home. The DNC really screwed up this time. Big time. And what was this, moving the DNC to Chicago? The party is acting really strange and the media is going along with it. Lots of fodder for conspiracy theorists. Me, I just want Hillary back.

 
Comment by Barbara

I’m not sure anyone noticed, but a number of us older, white women not only did NOT support Hillary, we actively campaigned for Obama. And never mind the issues from before: She who said she was ready on “Day One” had a campaign that took forever to find a focus, finished 25M in debt, and couldn’t control one of its primary surrogates–Bill Clinton. This is leadership?

 
Comment by Nzone

Obama is overpromised and underperformed. He doesn’t have the ability to win the general election. He doesn’t have the ability to be a good president, nor the ability to lead.

By now, Sen. Clinton will be up double digit in the poll against John McCain. The DNC selected the wrong candidate and they will be faced with a rude awakening in November.

 
Comment by ron

If Obama wants the woman vote he runs Oprah as V.P.

 
Comment by RSR

Hillary supporters are not stupid, nor have they been ’sucked-in’ by the sweet-talkin Obama. They will reluctently vote for McCain, because they know Obama is no good for America. Unlike Obama, who would rather ‘lose a war to win an election’. Hillary’s people are smart enough to know ‘losing an election is far better than losing our country’!!!
McCain ‘08
Hillary ‘12
and no Obama…ever!!!

 
Comment by Steve

Clinton is more divisive than helpful. To either candidate.
If McCain were to take Randy’s insane suggestion to make her VP, I’d bolt to Obama without giving it a second thought. And I seriously doubt the loss of votes from the right staying home would make up for the few “moderates” that a McCain/Clinton ticket would bring in.

Don’t underestimate the visceral hatred she inspires from anyone right of Joe Lieberman (and heck, anyone to the left of Nader, interestingly… (not quite the same level you get with Bush and the Left, but pretty dang close))

The Clintons need to go away. Sooner rather than later…

 
Comment by Don

I see Obama cratering and Hillary waging a convention floor fight for super delegates. I won’t be surprised if she ends up with the nomination.

 
Comment by Johnr

I am a moderate conservative. I think you have a very valid point. Polling has been erratic at best during the primary process and of course, most show a tight race now. Fact is, Obama is losing ground in several key areas. This can certainly turn around prior to the election but the youth vote is always questionable, the black vote looks to be very strong for Obama but, again, polls do not always capture everyone’s true intent. Obama continues to struggle with White men - Latinos are anybody’s guess and could split in a number of different ways. And of course, like most liberal presidential contenders, he will get both coasts, a few “Islands” of liberal support in the middle and the rest of America will go McCain. However, this demographic will result in a very close race.
Women are critical to this election for Obama and he has not endeared himself to them.
As a conservative and McCain supported, I am very relieved that its Obama and not Clinton. in my opinion Clinton would be ahead now by 15 points. Clinton would have caused more excitement on the rebulican side intially but during this general race the repub’s will step forward to avoid an Obama WH. Obama, despite he recent and questioable move to the center, is simply too much of a reach for most of middle America - way too liberal, way too untested, and way too erratic in his stances. Great talker but really that is all we have seen. The little “record” this guy does have is not comforting to anyone except the far left. Without women solidly going his way, I do not believe Obama can win.

 
Comment by Gary

What is Obama doing? First inflate your tires to save more oil than off shore drilling would provide? And now is Obama considering having Hillary as Vice President?
If Obama has Hillary as a running mate, then this white male 65 will change my vote from Obama to McCain in a heartbeat. I have had it with the Clinton’s, their era, must be history, and now.

Gary

 
Comment by Dar

I am a Native American Democrat from the Land of Enchantment (New Mexico), and I am definately voting for Senator John McCain based on his knowledge and experience in National Security, and as a U.S. Veteran. The Democrat Presidential nominee needs someone with Hillary’s experience and knowledge. If she were to be the Democratic V.P. nominee I would vote for the Democratic party but it appears this will not happen, so I am definately voting for Senator John McCain because the U.S.A. needs someone with experience. VOTE JOHN MCCAIN FOR THE US PRESIDENCY!!!

 
Comment by Wolfee

I was one of those that voted for Hilliary. My wife and I both did. As the race started to heat up all I was hearing was that hilliary and bill both were talking racist remarks. The only time I ever heard any racist remarks was from Axlerod who was Obama’s campaign manager. Myself and my wife both went down to the elections office were we live and we cancelled our voting perference as democrats and reregistered as republicans.

I had no idea that I would ever change my stance as a democrat. But Axlerod and that racist Obama sure made up my mind for me. By the way we were not the only ones that were switching sides. I saw a few democrats that were registering as republicans and independents.

I wouldn’t beleive anything that comes from any of these pollsters about Virginia being a swing state. Everybody that I know has been talking in great lenghts about getting everybody they know to the polls this year to Outvote the democrats.

 
Comment by Alan from Louisville

I have no comment here other than to say that neither the empty suit nor the self agrandizing should be elected to the White House. Either way, the American people lose. It’s back to liberal politics as usual with tax and spend, tax and spend. Democrats in control of Congress, a Democrat in the White House spells disaster for the rest of us.

 
Comment by mark

I am a Hillary supporter and i will vote for McCain. The arrogance of Obama and the press’ infatuation of him has sent me over. When it mattered, Obama didn’t want to fully seat michigan and florida. Only after he wrapped up the nomination is he saying we should count them. His constant changing of positions, arrogance and church association along with his lack of experience scares me.

 
Comment by LarryG62

Interesting that you have an extreme liberal commenting on the Hillary factor. What surprises me is the number of well meaning people who have been taken in by Clinton. She, like her husband, has no ethics, no integrity and no morals.
Too bad Ratner wasn’t in upstate NY. People up there, where I was raised, can’t stand Clinton. She needs to go back under her rock with the other slimy things.

 
Comment by Andi

I’ll vote for Hillary but I’ll never vote for Obama. I’ll probably sit this election out.

 
Comment by Lorie

“Why surprise? Any woman, of any race, who witnessed the misogynistic behavior of the MSM, the DNC, the Obama campaign, and Obama himself will feel the same way about the elections as the woman in the grocery store.”

I know this is going to start a fight but here it goes:

I think WHITE women may feel that way but I’m sure a good chunk of the black female voting block are more interested in seeing Michelle Obama become first lady! Misogyny is a low priority on the list of offenses for most Black voters this time around. I think most Black women are more concerned that Obama gets a fair shake.

Hillary Clinton does not represent the aspirations of all American women. Some Black women may support or respect Hillary but you can bet megabucks, most of us are not as touched by Hillary’s campaign as we were moved by Obama’s- whether we support him or not.

As much as some may like “Slick Willy”, many a Black woman would’ve kicked him and his cheating ways to the curb. Aspiring Black women are not inclined to hitch onto a man for professional success as Hillary did. She lost the respect of so many strong, independent Black women because of that. As it is often said, “I can do bad all by myself- and probably better without you!”

For many women, this is the ‘Hillary Factor’: the most important things about your life are disingenous, right down to your marriage. Lack of self-confidence makes your loyalties look more like co-dependencies that will likely vanish when you no longer feel the need for the other.

Weakness masquerading as strength. THAT is the Hillary Factor!

 
Comment by Christina S

Obama needs Hillary on the ticket to win. Hillary supporters will stay home. Wake up DNC! This is an election that has been handed to you but you are “snatching defeat from the jaws of victory”.

I have voted Democratic for 37 years. I will vote in this election but not for the office of President… not if the DNC continues on it’s present course.

 
Comment by Kevco

I cannot imagine why any right thinking person would consider voting for Barak Obama. We’re being swindled here, people. This guy has no core values and his lack of knowledge and experience are troubling. I don’t know if this is white apologists trying to make up for slavery or what, but the very idea that Senator Obama is the most qualified person the democrat party could find should worry us all.

 
Comment by Jane

Obama dug his own grave, so let him lie in it now. Telling Clinton supporters to “get over it” is insulting and patronising. If he wants our votes, he should treat her with respect.

 
Comment by CHANCY

I am a white 65 year old male democrat who would gladly vote for Hillery but I will not vote for obama, even if he had Hillery as his vice president.. If it is obama against Mccain I will vote for Mccain, if you want to call me a racist go ahead but I am not, obama is the racist………..
obama will put another republican in office, just wait and see.

 
Comment by Jorge

NEVER, NEVER COUNT HILLARY OUT. OBAMA SHOULD PICK FOR V.P. IF HE WANTS TO WIN.

 
Comment by susie

It would be great if McCain ask Hillary to be his running mate. The DNC was wrong on endorsing Obama, he had no experience and doesn’t know how to handle himself. He is afraid to debate.

 
Comment by Hakim

Using a black woman in a grocery store as the example is a poor sample. I am sure that I can find a Caucasin person in WV who would tell me that they would never vote for Hillary and only Obama, but one person a trend does not make. I am for Obama and he won the nomination fair and square. Let’s be clear, he was behind in all the polls, money and superdelegates in late December before Iowa. He was not chosen, there was no cheating, HE WON. I only ask IF THINGS WERE REVERSED would Hillary supporters be expecting her to retire his date, would they expect he get a roll call vote at the convention (as an Obama supporter I wouldn’t want this because it would not unify). I would expect HRC supporters would be saying no to all of this. He has been MORE THAN yielding to her, in relation to what she wants and when, however, there comes a point she must yield to him, since he is the winner, by votes, states, super delegates and most importantly overall delegates. He wasn’t picked by the DNC, no one has that power. Remember Guiliani was the favorite on the Repuclican side at the beginning, we saw how that ended up. Plus the Republicans also punished Michigan and FL by them getting half votes. Last thing, there must be unity and she needs to come and tell her supporters that Obama is the nominee and they need to support him as they did her and if they are true HRC supporters they will be voting for him and not trying to push an agenda that divides. She will be judged on how she works hard for Obama in the future and if she is seen as being half-hearted that won’t help her in trying to get elected in 2016. GO OBAMA 2008 AND 2012, GO HILLARY 2016 AND 2020.

 
Comment by Jay P

Obama will not win this election…with or without Hillary……she doesn’t want Obama to win……

What is best for America at this point in time, is to send Obama back to Chicago, send all the Democratic House members and Senators home, especially the other EGOMANIAC-that would be Pelosi……

Look back a couple of years….whether you like GWB or not…..the economy was fine until the Democrats got control of the House/Senate……give them more power with a Democrat in the White House, and America is TOAST…..

Wake up America…..keep the DEMS out of Washington as much as possible…it only takes one more Republican than a Democrat in the House to get Pelosi out of power……PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF OUR COUNTRY, WE HAVE TO VOTE REPUBLICAN…….ANYTHING BUT DEMOCRATS!

 
Comment by Jay P

To all you Hillary Supporters…..TO SIT THIS ELECTION OUT IS TO GIVE IT TO OBAMA…..THE BEST WAY TO SUPPORT HILLARY IS TO DEFEAT OBAMA IN THIS ELECTION……

 
Comment by Rey

LarryG62,

If you are supporting Obama, then much can be said about you regarding ethics and moral values….lolness. However, if you are a rep. then I will say this, she is much better than BO and needless to say, doesn’t politician do all?

 
Comment by Weldon D. Anderson

I live in a heavily Democratic area and know many Democrats who voted for Hillary, but, guess what,,,,,,,Several of these very active Democrats tell me no way could they vote for Obama and will definately vote for McCain. That seems to be Obama’s downfall…we hope.

 
Comment by Lisa

If Hillary doesn’t show some backbone and put her name in nomination, I’ll never support her in 2012. Fool me once …

(Let’s be serious. The Republicans haven’t even started to hit Obama. This race is over. Congratulations, President McCain.)

 
Comment by E.A.D.

Please, Hillary supporters, don’t sit out. That is a vote FOR Obama. Vote for McCain. That makes a bigger statement to Pelosi, CNN, MSNBC and all of the expert pundits and pollsters who know it all.

Make a real statement, vote for McCain. He can’t do us anymore harm!

 
Comment by jpnc

McHilary!
Anything to save us from Obama and the brainwashed masses who are in a drug-induced Utopia, that think there is actually substance and depth to “Change”….oh it’ll change all right, but you’ll be disturbingly disappointed.

 
Comment by Andy

Me and my entire family (longtime Dems - Gpa was a dem mayor/counselman for 30 yrs) voted for Hillary in the Indiana primary and will be switching to the Repubs in Nov. Obama hasn’t earned our trust and frankly his positions are scary.

McCain/Palin ‘08
Clinton/Bayh ‘12

 
Comment by Jan

The stupidity of the DNC is glaring.

They hand-picked an empty suit, who got fewer votes than the woman with the heftiest Democratic resume we’ve seen in years, who was in the White House during one of the most expansive periods of peace and prosperity in our nation’s history. What utter fools!

If ever there was a year to vote for divided government, this is the year. A Nancy Pelosi-led House plus a Harry Reid-led Senate plus Jeremiah Wright’s celebrity churchmember as POTUS is asking a bit much from the American electorate.

 
Comment by Henok

I am supporter of Hillary. But definetly I will go to vote this nover for OBAMA. OBAMA is way better than anybody else.

Regards

 
Comment by FRANKIE

I live in upstate NY. When Hillary was elected senator, no one in upstate voted for her except some Democrats. She was elected entirely by NYC Dems and she acknowledged this by spending her entire term in NYC with only a handful of upstate NY visits. I think she visited Buffalo & Rochester only several times in six years and only for an hour or two. It is only the second & third largest city in the state.

 
Comment by Patricia

Comment by Barbara - thank you. My sentiments exactly.

The dissention in her campaign shows to me the type of leader she would be. She is intelligent, and she has a lot of following because of her 8 years in the White House. But there were three of them campaigning against one and she still couldn’t win, and she incurred a debt that she is still asking her followers to pay for. But they aren’t paying for her debt, instead they are spending their money on going to Denver to cause a riot because they didn’t get their way. It can’t be because they believe she would do a better job because their policies were almost identical. I don’t believe for a second that if she were the candidate and won that she would actually be the president - her husband would take over. Why do you think there is so much uncertainty now about considering her for a VP?

 
Comment by American Voter

I am a proud card carrying Democrat who has never voted for a Republican even for a dog catcher. i will be voting for John McCain this fall. I admire the Clintons and would have gladly voted for Hillary.
Before the Obama-fans trash me as a female, uneducated or racist- allow me to introduce myself as a male, 40 yrs old, with 2 graduate degrees and a 6 figure professional income.
I am a Democrat but an American first, I cannot in good conscience vote for a rookie with a remarkable absence of any professional achievement and a perceptible arrogance that tells me that he cannot even learn on the job.

 
Comment by jane

JUST LOOK AT OBAMA’S VOTING RECORD. IF THAT DOESN’T SPELL DISASTOR FOR THE US NOTHING EVER WILL. HISTORICALLY SPEAKING SOCIALISM ALWAYS FOLLOWS DEMOCRACY. AND LOOK AROUND YOU, AMERICA, WE’RE HEADED FOR IT FULL STEAM!!!!!!!

 
Comment by JW

I’m all for a McCain/Clinton ticket; let’s put two mavericks on one ticket and watch the Obamaniacs cry!!

 
Comment by PUMAS UNITE

Washington Post:
Report: Exxon Execs Gave More to Obama
By Matthew Mosk

The Democratic National Committee may be trying to get some mileage out of recent news about oil industry contributions to Republican Sen. John McCain, launching a web site spoofing the idea of McCain sharing his presidential ticket with Exxon. But they may have found an unwelcome surprise in a just-released analysis by the Center for Responsive Politics.

Turns out, the biggest recipient of contributions from Exxon executives and employees during this campaign is not McCain. It’s Obama.

The non-partisan center writes: “Through June, Exxon employees have given Obama $42,100 Chevron favors Obama $35,157 and Obama edges out McCain with BP $16,046

 
Comment by Bill

“Everything you consider positive and everything you consider negitive in the great Nation you may correctly lay directly at the feet of the US Congress over the past 70 years” !! Congress is the problem;
not the President or V.P., but Congress. They have raped us in every possible way. They now have a speaker who is an absolute egomainiac, a crook and so full of herself she might expload. Congress is the problem. Lawyers permiate Congress and we all know what that means. Most are Socialsts so we better look and vote carefully in the next Congressional election.

 
Comment by Joe DeCaro

Seems to me that any American that can feel good about not voting because their candidate is out of the race hod no good reason to vote for that candidate in the first place. While McCain is not my first choice for a candidate, I would in no way leave the future of my country to chance.
VOTE! People died for our right to do so. Also, keep in mind, few people on the planet have that opportunity afforded them.

Joe DeCaro
Atlanta

 
Comment by Tim

For Obama to actually win this election, he’d have to be a least 10 points ahead in the poll right now.
Well, he’s not even close to that, even in the latest CNNista poll. Americans always vote more conservative in the fall than they say they will in the spring and summer. He’s toast because he’s a member of the radical left.

The Democrats have overshot this year. I don’t believe that Hillary fans can bail him out.
And I’m glad for that because of what they and their secular fundamentalist left-wing lapdog media have done to President Bush. The election of 2008 is somewhat a referendum of the left wing media.
CNN and MSNBC are actually going to help (unknowingly) tilt the Supreme Court to the right.
Thank you!

 
Comment by David Davisson

Ellen,

Why would anyone even think of voting Democratic with a Congressional approval rating of under 10%? I fully realize that not all Democrats are Liberals - but the Liberals are driving the Democratic bus. Obama and his cronies will be puppets to the likes of Geroge Soros becasue Soros and his ilk feel they have purchased the Democratic party and it is time to pay up.

 
Comment by jt

I will reiterate this call to all Hillary supporters who plan to not vote. Please cast your vote for McCain or for the other candidate(s). Vote so that the DNC gets your message. Lets decisively show Obama the door!

 
Comment by CTJaeger

Oh gosh the choices. I still haven’t decided, Obama or McCain. I registered as an Independent last year after spending the previous 30 years as a Republican.

Hillary is an interesting case. The main problem with counting on her to deliver votes (or even NY) is that her negative numbers have been equal to or greater than her positive numbers. Just reading the posts here support the polls on that matter. Hillary is divisive. She doesn’t do anything to bring people together. I’m not politically active, but if Hillary were to be the Democratic choice, I would actively work to ensure that she would NOT be elected.

I see the danger of electing Obama with a Democratic Congress and it frightens me. McCain doesn’t make me warm and fuzzy either. I think Obama is more likely to seek out a qualified supporting cast than McCain, but again, the opportunity for a Democrat controlled federal government is a scary propsition.

Hillary is the plague to either presidential candidate. I either candidate were to select her as their running mate, I would vote for the other candidate. No question about it. I think her polarization can only harm the current candidates.

 
Comment by Alice Forister

I am a Hillary person also, and I am so angry about the way the nomination has been stolen from her that never, NEVER, in a million years would I vote for Obama. If Hillary Clinton is not the Democratic nominee for president, then I am voting for John McCain.

 
Comment by PJ

I have read all the previous comments and as I did I remembered all the calls for unity after the 9/11 attack. I can see no unity for our nation either in the political parties or in our country, our enemies are getting stronger as we get weaker. We need good leadership and unfortunately none of the political parties are making good choices.

I think we have become a nation that has listened too much to the MSM and to little to each other. I am concerned with what you all need and what our country needs. I see no examples in our politicians that shows me a true unifier or a true leader that includes Senator Hillary Clinton, Senator Obama, and Senator John McCain. It is time the people in this country start sending very loud messages to these out of touch politicians, THIS NATION DESERVES MUCH BETTER LEADERSHIP.

 
Comment by PJ

I remember people in our country making remarks like, “united we stand’ and stating that 9/11 united us. After reading all the comments about our choices for the next Presidential election, I do not think we have become a united people.
I believe this country needs a leader right now and I do not see a unifying leader in any of our political parties. I believe we have become so accustomed to accepting politicians that work for themselves we have forgotten what it is like to have a true leader that is working for the people.
After readiing all the comments I am more sure than ever that others feel the same way. It is time the people in this country send a loud message to both major political parties (WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND BETTER CHOICES THAN SENATOR BARRACK OBAMA, JOHN MCCAIN AND HILLARY CLINTON.

 
Comment by Carol

I cannot believe that women are still using sexism for Hillary’s loss. If women truly want equal treatment, they will stop using this. As a 66 year old woman who didn’t have children until I was 29, I saw women use their status as mothers to get out of work. Being the one without the same responsibilities, it was assumed that I could take over whenever there was a problem with someone’s child. I finally said, if you want the same pay do the same work. I vowed I would never use that excuse, and I didn’t.
I think Hillary brought much of this on herself when she tried to use the experience of her husband as a reason we should vote for her. If you want to use the “lilltle woman” image, you have to take the consequences.
When I look out and see some of these young women who are making it on their own, I see that they will be ready for higher office because of their own accomplishments. You don’t see them marrying someone for the ride.

 
Comment by Candace

I am female and I don’t care if Hillary was the only one running for president, I wouldn’t vote for her.
What ever happened to values anyway?

 
Comment by red33,cedar rapids, ia

What about it? Is Bush getting blamed for that, or whatever?

 
Comment by David White

ok. I’ve always joked around with my buddies and said that if Hillary became president then i would swim to Canada. please, i’m NOT sexist. i just DO NOT like her at all. And if she became VP choice for McCain……..Randy, half of those points are not even accurate. First, shes pro-choice, not pro-life. I’m sorry, but thats the most naive thing i’ve ever heard….hillary vp for McCain…..
guys i’m only 17 but i intend to make a difference in this nation. Watch 5 years form now…

 
Comment by 30yrdem-not any more

You need to read this piece …
What The Media & Obama Campaign Will Never Understand About Clinton Supporters.

I can not put a link here so you will have to look it up.

 
Comment by D.hughes

Ellen: I am also tired of the Clintons and their shady dealing and thinking they are the only people with a brain. Hillary is a politican, she should play by the rules, which are you run. If you lose, you go off into a corner and lick your wounds, not to be heard from until next election. But not Hillary, she wants special favors, help me pay off my debts, give me special consideration for a VP spot, or supreme court justice. Why because she is is a woman. (what the…. ) Well the other people running are men, if she doesn’t want to play by the rules, then don’t run!!!! She says she wants to be treated fairly, she is and therefore get off the stage. and take sillybehind Bill with you. You lost. Lost means you lost, no matter how hurt you are. She has more B…s, than those brass monkeys people talk about. That’s my opinion and like a back side, every one has an opinion and that’s mine!!!!

 
Comment by Geophys55

In my scientific poll of my female parents over 70, 100% of the responents (1) said they would vote for McCain despite being a yellow-dog Democrat.

 
Comment by Dr. John Ivy

I will most likely vote “independent”, if I decide to vote, although, I would be more inclined to vote for McCain. I find that, for myself, it’s not so much a matter of voting FOR someone as opposed to voting AGAINST someone. And as for clinton, well, past “performance/presentation” during the run for the nomination, has amply demonstrated that she ONLY cares about one thing and that is her pressing to be President. She has demonstrated that there’s no “low” she won’t sink to in order to obtain, which she deems is rightfully hers by right of “inheritance” from bill, the office of president. She claims to be “most qualified” to be President - how so? Her track record as a senator has been nothing more than a dismal failure and she only holds the office as a stepping stone to further her own ambitions and will “walk over” anyone who stands in her way. I have absolutely no problem with the idea of a woman being President, just NOT her! There are any number of able and accomplished women in government who would be excellent choices. If the way she ran her campaign is any example, i.e., spending money, she didn’t have, like it was going out of style, in a campaign she filled with every manner of hateful insinuation against her opponents, AFTER it became obvious that the nomination would NOT be handed to her outright, any far-fetched concept of having her anywhere on the “platform”, much less in any way connected with ANY office in the national government, would be outright insanity. That she has “suspended” her run for the nomination ONLY indicates that there is yet some underhanded “trick” that she is biding her time to “spring” at the convention in an effort to fulfill her devious ambition to gain the dem nomination. People taken in by her supposed “sincerity” are the same gullible types taken in by circus sideshow barkers, plain and simple…

A Viet Nam Combat Vet - 7/66 - 11/71

 
Comment by EClark

I have found that in my city that the same thing is happening here also. Many women, including myself
have the same feeling. I am from Colorado. Many of us are really hoping that Hillary will be put on the ticket…if not we will not vote. No one to vote for.

 
Comment by Joe B

Hmmm - where to start? I am a true, in-the-middle Independent … scary thought for the Obama camp of course because we are the ones who drives elections. Remember 2004 when John Kerry thought he had the election wrapped up in August? Why was it with such a liberal MSM all over President Bush and the country split in two because of Iraq did the Democrats not win the presidency? I’ll tell you why - because the centrist Independents are the voting block who decides presidential elections, not the far-left or the far-right (or the MSM for that matter). Let’s be real clear about that. Why did the country vote for Bill Clinton in ‘92 and ‘96? Because the Clinton’s are Centrists and won on that platform!! When will people realize that the un-represented silent majority in this country is really what this is all about. What I wouldn’t do to see a strong 3rd party rise up to challenge both the Democrats and Republicans for the Congress and the White House. Imagine - “Real Change” that will benefit everyone - lower taxes, more investment in small business and nothing for the “special interests/lobbyists”. Oh and I forgot to mention a block that would be better capable of rejecting pork barrel spending and demanding that the goverment operate within the $1.6 trillion or more in income taxes it receives from “We The People”.

Enough said. Now to this year’s election. I am a very strong believer that a presidential candidate should have served at some point in the military. I know many would disagree with me on that point but listen up, someone who is expected to be Commander-in-Chief of our military forces should have at least a minimum of 4 years experience serving his or her country in the armed forces. Unfortunately, I never served in the military but looking back I really wish I had so this is not coming from a gung-ho military person. With that in mind, I will cast my vote this November for Sen. McCain - on many points - but certainly his military service and devotion to his country is far and above Sen. Obama, who doesn’t seem to like anything about America, especially our flag. BTW - check out his remodeled Boeing jet - which he had the American flag removed from the tail and replaced with his “Logo for Change”. Why would that be? Maybe him and his wife can go on continuing to be ashamed of our country but unfortunately for them - they just may find out in November that there are more people proud of America than they think. Oh and yeah - my wife and I would have voted for Sen. Clinton this fall - so great job to the Dems for selecting - again - the least likely candidate to win the election. The big mistake on their part - as usual - is they don’t select the best person for the job or the most likely to win. They choose the one who more closely adheres to the far-left doctrine. Carter, Mondale, Dukakis and probably Obama this year - are all great examples of that. Good luck in November Dems - you’re going to need it.

McCain/Clinton ‘08.
“Crossing the aisle and getting the job done together!”