It would be interesting to see if St. Obama resorts to the same tactics when faced with a tight re-election. Politicians with money…. over time…. Left/Right they all act the same.

So Bush’s faith based concept isn’t as crazy as all the left-wing extremists whined 6 years ago as long as it’s handled by a Socialist?

“His plan also has a committment not to use funds for political reasons.” Good grief! The entire “plan” is for political reasons. I am positive that the funds won’t be directed to “swing districts”! Right!! Like Al Gore wanted to recount the votes in districts that were not predomintely Democratic in Florida in 2000. This Obama bunch is like a group of kids drawing figures in the sand on the beach.

” What makes Senator Obama’s plan different than the Bush administration’s is both his plans for accountability and training in best practices. ”

Gee, I think they tried this already. Let me see, I think its called GOVERNMENT.

Another way for the government to control religion, and more importantly to inject themselves in my faith. To 7734 with that.

God Bless you.

Frank Pytel

As someone said eloquently in another blog, when the government gets involved, things screw up. It adds a level of beauracracy and slows down response time. LOCAL Faith-Based programs are best as these people KNOW the surrounding area where the disasters have taken place, KNOW the people in the counties and their specific needs and can be more flexible and fluid in their response accordingly. To expect the government to care for every “Tom, Dick, and Harry plus their families and property” is ludicrous. A “leg up” to get going after a catastrophe, OK, but don’t depend on everything from the government. Have some pride.

faith based program?????
do you really thing bo will be able to have any kind of program that was not crooked, look at the potential admistrators wright, pfleger, farakhan, ayers, jackson, and sharpton…. or even michelle.
you have to be kidding me, give up the cool-aid. bo will make a mess of the office of the president and his whole admistration will be tainted with these crooked buddies of his

Well so far Im not familiar with the details of Mr Obama’s plans for a faith based program

But given the facts about his ties to the radical/extremist and racist church leaders and involvement with a non mainstream church that tries to claim its part of the Christian church (UCC) when its not?

Which means Obamas version of a Christian church is NOT the same as the Founding Fathers nor most Americans? One thing that will happen is a legitimizing of a religion rejected by the mainstream. Is that bad? In mainstream Christian belief, the Bible stands in authority over mankind. But in the UCC? the sinful individual is told he/she doesnt have to listen to the Bible, doesnt need Jesus Christ and can do whatever feels good, dont worry about sins, just accept everyone as they are, etc

What kind of influence will control a church that teaches such a thing? An influence that does not put the Bible over itself. That means its a man made teaching that can change the rules as it goes, and just use the control of the masses for some purpose outside of Biblical teaching.

So my guess? the Obama administration would become involved in some scandal to channel cash into Rev Wrights’ church and other similar churches with questionable ethics; Since the leftwing/liberals hate the true Christian church? they will be fine with it, and run defense for Obama just as they did for Bill Clinton as he faced impeachment in the late 1990s for high crimes and misdemeanors like lying to a grand jury while under oath.

There is nothing Mr Obama has done to suggest to me he follows the Bible, so any faith based ‘anything’ he proposes would be expected to be phoney

I agree with Joe, the money will go to those faith based programs in districts Obama needs to win in a reelection, given he wins this November. Oh I see, if a Christian organization wants federal funds to help the down and out it can’t have the funds if they refuse to hire someone who doesn’t share their Christian beliefs????????? Guess that will mean a lot of them won’t get any federal money. And this comes from a man that attended a racist church for 20 years.

In one breath you talk about how these faith based groups can execute better than government while in the next breath you talk about Obama’s plan (i.e. a government plan). LOL. I find that hysterical. You can’t have it both ways.

Best bring a pillow with you next time you watch Obama on TV or see him so that you have a comfy place for your head when you faint. Thought you folks on the left hated the “religious right” and blamed us for all ills. Hmmmm. Did not Obama himself say words to the effect we were too busy clinging to our guns and religion with apathy towards those not like us?? Hmmmm. More flip flops.

Obama stands for nothing other than his own power. The say anything, do anything puppet. A vote for him is a vote for payback to all the special interest groups who pull his strings. That in and of itself should = a no vote.

Puhleeze! I’m sure Obama’s church will be top of the list. Also, this is pure politics. He’s after the religious vote.

Ellen,

Why not have some integrity and say what you really mean:

“Why Barack Obama’s Faith-Based Plan Is Worth a Try - because it was proposed by Barack Obama instead of George Bush! So, it wouldn’t matter if it were 100% identical to GB’s plan, or if it were nothing more than an expensive, big-government welfare plan that will further increase taxes, further descimate the concept of personal responsibity, and allow the government to control and manipulate organized religions. We liberals all love the NEW plan either way because it was uttered by the lips of Barack Obama!!”

Why does FoxNews grant people like you a forum for any of your nonsense?

Does this mean his church will be getting another 15 million ? Faith Based ?????

Sorry Folks, I hate to bust your left/right bubbles, but it is not the job of the Government, nor do they have the authority to donate any type of Federal Tax Revenues to Religious Organizations.

If there is that much extra cash lying around the Hall’s of Congress, taxpayer’s need the rebates.

Individuals can and will do much better job using their own discression on who needs a hand up or what cause they choose to help.

Look to your own hearts as to who or what YOU feel deserves YOUR help. Give there.

I personally do not want any Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Satanist or Atheist group deciding who will get my tax dollars. (PLEASE FEEL FREE TO PUT THE ABOVE MENTIONED GROUPS IN ANY ORDER OF YOUR CHOICE, I AM NOT SAYING ANY ONE GROUP IS BETTER OR WORSE THAN THE OTHER. THAT IS NOT THE POINT.)

If you believe any faith or non standard faith based group isn’t going to hire someone to spend, monitor or sad to say steal funds, your blind! People are people and will not donate their time without something in return. Why would anyone think faith based charities would be any different than the charities or disaster groups already out there?

20% off the top for administration, you know it will happen, don’t be mislead, it will happen.

What level of Goverment will decide who gets what? Will it be the same level of Government we can’t trust now? Or will we have to pay for another layer of incompentence?

American’s make America great, not layer’s of Government or Groups with agenda’s of any kind.

Separation of Church and State must stand as part of our Constitution as any true believer who loves the freedom of worship given us by that Document would know!

This was what I responded to Cal Thomas re: Obama’s Faith Based plan…but it is just as applicable here. A lot of people are going to be surprised at what Obama’s faith based plan will include. I can bet, Rev. Wright and his man Phleger, along with Lewis Farrakhan, will be the first to distribute our tax dollars for their activist, faith based causes. What we the people see as in need or wanting, is not what they think as entitlement. Voters need to see beyond the cheap talk, the choreographed speeches and remember his roots. This man is a crisis waiting to happen. You judge a mans character by his associates, and he has distanced himself from these people, but they will be back, and they are still his comrades. Don’t kid yourselves. He can walk the walk and talk the talk when need be. Our taxes will go to every disintagrating third world country, to strengthen the spread of socialism, and also to further it’s grip in this country. There are so few voices during this election speaking the truth. Most of the media are biased, and are furthering their own left leaning agenda. They tingle when Obama speaks. If I said I would only vote for someone that wore a purple hat, and wouldn’t consider anyone else no matter what. People would think I was crazy….but this is what is happening now. When I read that ABC banned flag pins, because they didn’t want to support “causes”, what causes, that you respect the greatest country ever. PLEASE think about the faith based causes that this new (could be) government of change, has in mind. Ask some questions. Why would they support a George Bush program? Do any of you Obama supporters honestly believe that his lifelong friends and associates are not going to be involved in his government of change???

Obama has already shown he is unworthy of our trust. Of course, since he is a “regular politician” after all, that should not be any surprise to anyone with the least bit objectivity.

Bob N.

Dallas, TX

What happened to the complaints about separation of church and state when Bush proposed his plan yrs ago?

The plan is dangerous.

It moves chruch and state closer together.

It also lets Non-Profit churches Double Dip, they do not pay any taxes so they are getting something from the government there, Giving them added funds is double dipping.

Don’t you wish we all had a set up like that.

example:

TUCC church non profit - Builds Rev Wright a million dollar house with a 10million line of credit. That is what they are doing with thier tax free money Plus, now to give them xtra money to do out reach,

Yes Bob makes a great point, when Pres Bush proposed this, everyone knew he was talking about the Christian faith, inline with Americas Christian faith dating back centuries. Its the one with the Bible and how there are the 10 commandments and how youre not supposed to lie, cheat and steal?

Since the mainstream media is biased far left and progressive, their natural enemy is the Christian faith. And these days it needs to be pointed out (Christianity based on the Bible)

Obamas church has only 1 commandment: do whatever you want, just try to give the appearance of kind of acting what you think a Christian should act like… Oprah is another who holds up bags of cash and prizes to lure people away from the Bible

i think that some how bo faith based programs are involved with the woman in Denver singing the
“black anthem” instead of the National Anthem at a “state of the city” meeting. she was over heard saying ” i did it for barack obama”

A repsonse to:
Comment by Bob
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:39 pm

Dear Bob, there were complaints, I complained, I discussed the problems many times with many people. Fox News now has a forum. Before when writing to the Fox News Channel, anything Anti-Bush was not allowed on the telepromter’s. Much like the left wing media, you need to stop, look, and listen. After the show you must research what you’ve just been told. Trust, then Verify!
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Comment by Bradley
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:54 pm

I’m sorry Bradley, yes, President Bush may be a Christian, but it seems to be on Sunday Morning only.
HE IS A POLITICIAN FIRST, TRUST HIM IF YOU MUST. I have seen what his belief’s are when it comes to lie, cheat and steal, it makes me wonder if he has more than one commandment.
He swore on the Family Bible to Protect America, 7 years after Sept 11, 2001 our borders are still open. He promised to work for America, make peace with the left side of the Ilse in Congress, be a President for the People.

His legacy? Let’s see, Oil, sorry America the Saud’s won’t help, Home Foreclousers, maybe if the CEO’s had smoked a joint they might have done some jail time. Every day in the Media, (Left or Right), poison food in our market’s being recalled, bad drugs from the Pharmacutial Companies being recalled.

I can’t say he did it by himself, but he is a whole lot richer today than when he took office. In his defense, is there a Politician out there who doesn’t leave office better off monetarily than when they swore their oaths?

I say we put or faith in the Constitution, not on religion.
All 87,000+ elected officials in America need to swear their oath’s on the Document of the Nation. Not the Quoran, nor the Bible, nor the Tora, nothing faith based. Using the Good Teachings of God seem to have gotten us into the mess were in today. And it sure isn’t God’s fault or his Commandments.

Swear on the Law of the Country! The Constitution of the United States so they can be held accountable for their actions or non actions.

As it Clearly States, it’s, “WE THE PEOPLE”, nowhere does it say “we the politicans.” They have truly forgotten who they work for and pretty much do everything they can to work against their Constituants and take care of their Special Intrest friends.

I totally agree Bradley!!! His plan will benefit haters like the Rev Wright “Faith based” sounds good when its based on faith in Christ, for his followers are already the biggest givers on the planet, but I am sure he has faith in something else….

A cash cow for the churches.A vote getter fro Obama.Wonderful program for the religious kooks.The rest of us pay.A little theocracy,anyone?

Keep the government out of this! The reason it works now is that it is the people helping people without the government putting all sorts of red flags up. Why is it that government feels that only if they give the guidelines it is effective. Oh, but people will say that an organization won’t hire, say, a gay person-so, guess what- that gay person could find an organization they could work with or start their own charitable group. To begin to put a lot of rules and regulations defeats the purpose. If one doesn’t feel welcome one place then go to another. I can’t seem to find where BO was willing to work with Pres. Bush on this issue. Did he crossover and work on this at the time or is it just now that he is crossingover to show how magnificant he is?

ratner, who the heck are you, and why WHY are you a fox news political contributer? every article ive read that you have written i think …what???? is this woman talking about??? do you actually have NO clue what going on or have you just drank too much cool-aid…. why are you so in the tank for bo???
i think you would be happier over at msnbc with obermier or what ever his name is….. bye

I do not understand. I have never ever heard a word of oboma in the past before the elections not one . It is like he just fell out of the sky waveing a magic wand. Next thing you know this wand waver is the democratic leader. How can anybody vote for a nobody. I am switching to independent, or republican. WOW

Obama could say it’s good to talk about others, hurl insults, and half truths about others, and scrutinize and insult the records of others, while denying the same scrutiny apon himself….and the kool aid drinkers would agree with their Messiah.

Oh wait…he does that already! *THUNK*

His American hating church gets a lot of funding. I don’t suppose there is any connection here? hmmmmmmm?