We are a country divided left and right / liberal and conservative / green communism and freedom.
Cal there are a lot of issues facing us as Americans. Mostly I hear about problems and then solutions from all sides and figure nothing is going to happen until enough people get killed to force action. It took Sept 11 for most people to realize we were at war. Some still have a hard time with that concept. 2 years of special congressional investigations has been way to much time spent on finger pointing to be usful to any American citizen.

I think with the death of a great comedian we should look at some of what George said.
Catch the ilegals give them a gun and ammo and ship them to Iraqi if they don’t want to go send them with out the gun and ammo. If they survive a few years there fighting then make them a citizen. He also said fence the border to be able to proccess them in.
I also believe he said something along the line of people on welfare taking drug test before they were approved. I mean I have to go in a cup to get a job to pay the taxes that are given to people on welfare. Think those 2 things would go a far way in doing some good for this country.

Personally I believe you should have to pay taxes to vote. That would solve a lot of problems also.

Cal, I have to agree with you 100%. Just imagine how much fun we could have in Mexico if they were to enforce their laws as these libs have enforced ours. Heaven forbid if when traveling in Mexico , you stop at a check point and did not have your papers..? To jail you go!!!!!!!!! Not here though…. Like you stated, the illegals are hammering our education , healthcare, jobs etc are killing all that most Americans hold dear. Carry on Cal!!!!!!!

It doesn’t matter how many honest, hard-working, good people illegally enter our country, each and every one that does is a criminal by virtue of breaking the law. First point, and the cold, hard truth.

There are not only poor people looking to make a couple quick bucks that attempt to illegally enter our country, a large percentage of people entering this country illegally are terrorists, drug dealers and other people who come here and have no intention of abiding by our laws in the first place.

We have a right and a responsibility to protect our borders. Any other country whose borders are violated frequently consider it a matter of the highest importance to rectify a severe lack of security, to forestall potential threats that seek to come in.

Build it now - its law. Stopping illegals is not racism - its law. They want in - follow the system. Meanwhile this would also help prevent terrorists from easy access.

Of course - I still doubt it ever gets built.

We need a fence at our border to keep out people that think they don’t need to obey the law. All of the people that enter our great country the right way are more than welcome, they become good law abiding citizens. Those that come across ilegally have made themselves criminals as soon as they cross (unfortunetly a lot of them already are before they cross) That makes it harder for America to stay The Greatest Nation on Gods Green Earth. As for the wildcats the enviromentalists are worried about they can go over the fence to swim the river to do there thing just fine.

I would suggest one correction to your perspective on the border fence. In my opinion the ‘environmentalists and leftists’ who oppose the fence are not being honest in suggesting they are doing so for environmental concerns. The Democratic party has opposed building a fence, or basically anything with regard to enforcing our immigration laws, because they see the influx of great numbers of people entering illegally as reinforcing their hold on political power, especially in California.

I would suggest one correction to your perspective on the border fence. In my opinion the environmentalists and leftists who oppose the fence are not being honest in suggesting they are doing so for environmental concerns. The Democratic party has opposed building a fence, or basically anything with regard to enforcing our immigration laws, because they see the influx of great numbers of people entering illegally as reinforcing their hold on political power, especially in California.

Dahhhhhhh,,,,,,,anybody home………..This should have been done years ago. You can thank all our elected clowns for the delay.

As reagan said ” A nation without borders is not a Nation”. When will America wake up and defend it’s borders?

The invasion force can bring ladders. Does anybody at the government or commentator’s
club care about how much money is spent vs. effectiveness?

Can we swap right wing people for Mexicans. Then it is not so much an invasion as replacing the scared witless selfish ones with the hard working ones. The right will find somewhere to hold up clutching their guns and bibles. Then they could then have their own science and reason free schools to raise another batch of beaten frightened conservatives. I can dream.

Excellent article 100% true
Keep printing the truth
Continue to help America to recover from it’s malaise.
Regards;
Dwight Broadstone

Better hurry up and build the fence before Mexico becomes a failed state.

Spain has 20 foot fences topped by razer wire around their outposts in north Africa. Italy and Malta have “boat people” from Africa. Australia has “boat people.”

It’s a problem in other places also.

Not much to argue with here.

This is a repetive pattern: Environmentalist and (chicken little theory of) global warming vs. national security. See offshore drilling vs. environmentalist.

If just 7 miles of the VERY HIGHLY EFFECTIVE legislated double-layered fence was this effective in Yuma (San Luis), can’t you just imagine what the LEGISLATED 700 MILES OF DOUBLE-LAYERED FENCE might have done???

Border Patrol Sector Apprehensions on our Southern Border (West to East)
Fiscal Year (Oct thru Sept)—2005—–2006——2007—–FYTD 2008 (thru May 31)
Yuma Sector —————138,492—118,549—37,992—–6,877 *(7 miles of Double-Layered fence constructed)
Tucson Sector ————-439,053—392,074–378,239– 235,883

Thank Texas Senator Kay Hutchison

We need our politicians to stop encouraging illegals to come into our country, by continuing to talk about the possibility of amnesty for all illegals within our United States.

Send a very strong message that all illegals will be arrested, jailed, prosecuted, and deported with a felony on their record. If they have any relatives in our United States, prosecute, and deport them too.

If an illegal is arrested while living with relatives, charge the relatives with harboring, and aiding, and abetting. Prosecute anyone associated with illegals.

Here are my suggestions:

1. Charge Mexico the cost of all healthcare, public services and payroll taxes for their illegal citizens in this country—they can pay in American dollars or in oil.
2. No anchor-babies–if you are not a legal citizen, neither is your spawn.
3. Instead of accepting the disgusting sight of illegals marching through our streets, waving THEIR country’s flag and complaining that they are being mistreated—a giant, publicity-creating demonstration should be organized on the capitol building in MEXICO. We can wave OUR flags and demand that their corrupt government take care of THEIR OWN citizens.
4. If all else fails, Americans should petition to have OUR status changed to that of “Illegal alien,” so we can take advantage of all the freebies the Mexican illegals get.

THANK YOU SIR. Do you have any idea of how many arguments (some nearly turned brawls) I have been involved in, regarding exactly this issue? The LIBERALS want to, quite literally, give away Our Country in the quest to import more votes. They seem to have no comprehension of the fact that WE work for a wage. The object behind employment is financial security for ourselves and our families, NOT to make life better for people who (legally) should NOT be here in the first place. We all know that This Great Nation was founded on immigration, but the new arrivals used to try to integrate themselves into society. Pride in your ancestry is very honorable, BUT THIS IS THE USA. Learn to speak OUR language. Don’t think that we are obligated to learn yours. I have no problems with those who come here legally. those who don’t, should be regarded as CRIMINALS, the moment that the cross the line.

I wonder if the founders of this nation invisioned us distorting laws in this manner. Would they ever have imagined us picking and choosing which law we would abide by and which one we would not. Entering this country illegally is breaking the law and anyone supporting that is breaking the law as well.

We should have hired the Stasi to build the fence when the Berlin wall came down. They knew how to do this right. Okay no very PC, however any infrantry man can tell you an obstacle that isn’t observed is not very effective. So along with the fence we need people watching it. So keep hiring more border patrol and keep the National Guard on the border.

Bret must be a small minded, fearful liberal, since he resorts to ad hominem attacks as opposed to reasoned arguments. Attacks that lack orginality and drawn from Obama off-line statements.

There are fearful people in this arguement. People on the boarder have had there house broken into multiple times from people passing through. Selfish…hmmm… Americans doante more to charity than anyone else in the world. Europe expects governments to take of that, and we get chastised that our government doesn’t give enough. Non-government donations from the US dwarf the rest. It is not selfish to ask people to come here legally. Immigration laws need a revision, but we are living under system devised by Democrats 40 yrs ago. Democrats stall revision as sops to the unions who don’t want free immigration or guest workers.

All comments about controlling boraders it true. The estimates are that there are over 10 million illegals here. How they get to vote is they are not citizens is beyond me. Most are hard working people looking to take opf their families, do work most native born prefer not doing. Many get into trouble, I see that reading the local police blotter.

It is a chimera to think that not letting them in will keep wages up. One are they competing for the same jobs and two, if they are that cheap, keep barriers high and the jobs will go to them. Free trade can be for more than goods, why exclude labor. The traffic needs to be orderly, controlled (national security), plentiful, and lightly burdened.

I would build a fence with razor wire around the house of representatives and the senate and dare any of the useless, crooked, lying thieves (politicians), who have sold out this country to try and get back in. They should go to the borders and protect our country from what they allowed to happen. They are the ones benefiting from this mess. Why should we even have to debate an issue like this. We are being invaded each day and we need permission to protect our borders and our way of life? Who’s OK do we need to uphold our laws? Why were they passed? Our future looks pretty dim right now, and with this freak show election coming, I don’t see much in the way of answers. I see socialism rearing it’s ugly head, we are almost to the point of wealth redistribution and a complete welfare state. Our freedoms are disputed each day in media. Were fed lies each hour of each day to promote someone not fit to govern a dog kennel. The media is so frightened of the truth or what will happen if they tell the truth, that you can hardly fined truth out there anymore. The nonsense they fill there hours with is more comical than informative. The fence is just one of many ills we face and I hope things turn around, but I don’t put much faith in anyone.

This debate has never been about wildcats, or the environment. It has been about importing votes. Liberal Democrats have not been able to win consistently with native-born Americans and legal immigrants and so are importing votes and creating a new class of people dependent on them.

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Wow, paranoia may destroy ya Cal. Of course, it’s ALL about importing votes. I think that you are engaging in a little projection. Since it seems that the vast majority of evidence points to the RIGHT using tactics to limit voting and gerrymander voting districts to suit their needs, it only makes since that someone from the RIGHT would ASSUME that the other side is doing the same thing.

Your desperation is comforting.

Yaakov,
It’s not only Spain, Italy, Malta, and Australia. Look at the way the Mexican government treats illegal immigrants on its southern border with Guatemala. Having lived in Mexico, I have much love for the people, but their government needs to fix its corruption problems before complaining to us about our legal enforcement of our own borders.

Obviously few today remember the film classic “Soylent Green”! Air it!

Brett Allen I guess the guys that started this country with their guns and bible were wrong.
Guns and bibles are a huge part of this country, not illegal aliens from Mexico.
My suggestion is you study some history before making idiotic statements.
The Mexican government is in a huge war with several large drug cartels and they are losing.
May be you would like the drug cartels to move north of the border and take over so you can buy your drugs cheaper.

Two comments first the hateful comments by Mr. Brett Allen his bigotry for Christians and republicans both is foolish. We are not selfish the poorest state in this country is a Red state Alabama gives more to charity then New York and no it is not a percentage actual dollars, New York is the lowest. I feel very sorry for Mr. Allen.

Second the illegal immigration policy is second now. Their is a War going just a 1/4 mile south of the border with the drug cartels now. They are running the cops out of Mexico several have asked for asylum here from the cartels. The wall has more then one purpose. Not the least defend this counties citizens.

This comes from Brownsville, Texas, a few blocks from the border. The fence was voted in by a congress full of idiots that don’t understand even the simplest of issues.

The collective mayors of border cities say that the fence won’t reduce illegal border crossings. The collective sheriffs said the same. The former sector chief of the border patrol said the same. And don’t tell me that a fence will stop terrorists. Duh! The terrorists send tuition to schools and fly in first-class.

People wanting to enter the US illegally hapen to be smarter than the polititians in Washington. These people don’t ride burros anymore. They actually understand electronics and such. Unlike rabbits, cows and congressmen they are intelligent enough to use bolt cutters, rope ladders, cutting torches and even plasma-arc.

The only way to stop illegal immigration is to put serious sanctions on the employers. This won’t happen as it might dry up campaign contributions.

To John Nolty - I believe it was also Reagan who said “Tear down this wall!”, referring to the Berlin Wall. If employers were actually prohibited from employing anyone without proper documentation for payroll (soc. sec. number, etc), the fence would be irrelevant. It can’t be controlled unless it’s manned. Are you also going to put a fence up along the Canadian border?

Ha. Ask the Roman Empire what illegal immigration did for them (just read up on the Germanic invasions, for those unfamiliar with that bit of history). While most immigrants do not mean us any harm, the drug-runners that do and the crippling burden to public services the rest create put us in the role of the Romans, struggling against an ever-growing tide of humanity. In addition, Brett Allen, what do being ‘beaten’ and your taboos of guns and bibles have to do with illegal immigration? In what way do fighting back against those that would break the laws of our elected government suggest a ‘beaten’ people to you? If you believe the laws should be changed, contact your local congressman and try to get them changed. Good luck on that score, odds are that as long as the majority rules your vitriol and bitterness over your perceived repression by conservatives will be your only solace.

The way I look at it, is that the illegals are controlling the way we live! Our government accomadates the illegals instead of the Americans. Our government caters to the illegals not to the Americans. I’m tired of going to a store and seeing merchandise with English labeling then the same labeling in Spanish!I’m tired of seeing the Mexican flag flown every where I go! I’m tired of the illegals being able to live better than I do and this is just the tip of the ice berg! Everything is geared to make life more comfortable for the illegals. The other night I was watching The Factor on Fox. Bill O’Reilley was previewing what would be on his show that night and he said something about someplace that was ordered or may be ordered to stop saying the Pledge of Allegiance because it was offending the Muslims! (I don’t know where this was; I couldn’t stand to watch this segment; it turned my stomach) WHAT IS THIS COUNTRY COMING TO???? If Muslims don’t like the Pledge of Allegiance or anything else about the United States of America then they need to get out and go back to their muslim country! IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COME LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THEN THEY NEED TO LEARN OUR LANGUAGE, FLY OUR FLAG (LEAVE THEIR FLAG IN MEXICO OR WHERE EVER THEY CAME FROM), LEARN OUR WAYS AND BELIEFS, AND BECOME AMERICANS!

Does anyone remember the Wal-Mart store in Chicago that Immigration raided and arrested several illegal employees, then those employees filed a suit against Wal-Mart? It’s sickening that this was even given consideration!

Does anyone remember demonstrations by illegal and imigrant workers across the country a few years
ago? That was just as sickening!

Enough is enough! We need the fence!

Regardless of how you feel about building a wall on the border, historically, walls work. They are never irrelevant, except in the single-mindedness of those with narrow vision. The Berlin Wall and the Great Wall of China are the 2 most obvious examples. Will walls keep everyone out? Obviously not. That’s why we need a multi-faceted solution to our immigration problem. But before we can possibly agree on a solution, we must first agree that it is a problem, and not everyone in this post seems to see that.

So what are the consequences of unrestricted immigration? Overworked medical and education systems, fewer American citizens employed in their own country and lower wages for those who still have their jobs, increased crime, refusal to assimilate socially, all resulting in lower standards in everything we do and hold dear. And I haven’t even mentioned the problems it poses for our national security. Does anybody really doubt these are genuine problems?

So what do we do about it? What we absolutely should not do is put all our eggs in one basket. That kind of narrow thinking is what has lead most people in this nation to believe that Ethanol productions is a coherent and comprehensive energy policy that will solve all our energy woes.

Should we build the fence? Absolutely? Should we stop at 670 miles? Probably not. Should we increase patrols at the border. Definitely. Should we keep the National Guard there? Yes, since they are apparently doing some good. Should we prosecute employers who knowingly hire illegals? With a vengance. Should we criminally prosecute and deport every single, last, living illegal alien we come across regardless of circumstances? Without question.

In short, we need to do everything conceivable to secure our borders. If we fail to act we will slowly become a third-world nation with a third-world economy. Just because the job is difficult is not a sufficient reason for doing nothing.

Yes! First the border fence! Then to ensure America’s long-term national security needs will be met;
we neuter and spay every liberal so we can replace those silly-ass soccer fields with baseball diamonds!
BUT!!! I want California fenced off from the rest of us until they stop dumping whatever drugs are being
put in the water out there that turns everyday human beings into raving Marxists. AND I want every
member of Congress tested for Librium, Valium, Xanax, and Angel Dust/PCP. SOMETHING is turning
their brains to mush and alcohol alone can’t be it.

Matthias, Roman Empire did not have illegal immigration, they called it war. And the Romans were the perpetrators. Also, lack of the infrastructure as well as inability to sustain economic growth were the culprits of the fall of Rome. Economic chaos rotted it from the inside and the infrastructure have made its borders vulnerable. There is absolutely no parallel between the fall of Rome and “the Mexican invasion” of America.

This wall is the dumbest idea of the 21st century.

I have a solution guys, but lets get terminology straight. The wall that we are proposing to build will be known as The Wall.

I think that besides The Wall, we need to implement a moat. We will call it The Moat. It shall be about 10-15 feet wide, and about 10-15 feet deep, we can then fill The Moat with broken glass. The Moat will give the perpetrators, AKA The Mexicans another level of obstacle to navigate through.

We also need a zone. We will call it The Zone, this area will consist of wild dogs and jackals, preferably rabbit, but can always research cybernetically enhanced dogs in the future. Or genetically engineer something that resembles Cerberus. This will be fenced off by another layer of fencing and will be about 3/4 of a mile wide.

We can also implement a mine field and/or a cluster bomb rounds with a human sensing technology.

Those that make it through the obstacle course, should immediately be naturalized. We need people like that.

For those over forty years of age:
Do you remember your first crush or crushes? Think back, race did not matter. Although the customs, traditions, and religions so obviously varied among us, we did not impress them on each other. With respect we were encouraged to celebrate these differences. In grammar school we stood in the same line to receive immunization shots. Hudled we faced and shared first experiences. We skated together. Our direction was to embrace one language and abide by the same laws. We were to “assimilate” toward the goal of a united greatness. We celebrated the bicentennial of the United States. We had accomplished so much in 200 years, yet still we were not perfect nor were we told that we would ever be, only to strive. As a Latino I still believe that this is the correct path. These “illegals” have no respect or direction. CLOSE YOUR EYES AND REMEMBER how it was back then and how the landscape, though not perfect reflected who we were as a country. In later years I grappled with acceptance of the title of “Chicano” while being called a “Pocho”. I speak fluent Spanish and am well aware of who I am. I also saw that “Affirmative Action”, a cover label for reverse discrimination, was unfair. I studied and worked very hard only to see others shout with one fist in the air get just as far. It was during this time that race became an issue by the selfish and power hungry. I could not and did not want to be a part of that. These “undocumented” (a title that they could not have given themselves) do not wish to learn English nor will they strive toward a common goal. They build islands here. They choose not to assimilate and we allow this. “We pay taxes too” they say and that we must accommodate them. Others say “They only want a better life for themselves”, this is not enough! They come from all over the world mostly from nearby Mexico and further south and show great pride for countries left behind (?). They come by the hundreds of thousands to make demands of a country that is not their own. The immigrant roots of my family reflect a respect and adherence to a then existing legal process that was completed between 1912 and 1922. My Grandparents taught me respect for this great country and that freedom must be earned and protected. “Go and learn” they said. My Grandparents were humble yet honorable. They would be ashamed to see these people, their people acting so disrespectful. Their sons (My Father and Uncles) and later my cousins, all Americans by birth, took it to heart and fought in wars to protect this ideal, to fight for our right to respectfully agree to disagree. The marches a few months ago exhibited an organized disrespect and were misguided. They have and deserve no legal right to be here. There is a legal process for entering this great nation please follow it, millions have done it. Learn the common language, spend more time as a contributor rather than looking for avenues of entitlement and we are with you. I have visited the places were I grew up…what happened? This skewed foreign self righteousness is a threat to our collective progress in America. It is anti-unity. As a Latino but, American first and only, I say that it is time for us to OPEN OUR EYES! God does bless America!

Thank you Cal!!! I told Mom and my daughter last year that it was written into the Consitution that it was the government’s responsibility to protect the citizens against invasion and that I was thinking about starting a class action lawsuit against them for NOT protecting us. I live in Portland and work at a workman’s comp. insurer and I can tell you this is another avenue of incredible loss from scam artists from the South who have learned the system and how to work it. Incredible numbers!!
Nina

Talk about rabble-rousing! Talk about oversimplification!

A border fence is just a band-aid.

The real problem here is the simple fact that people want to improve their lot in life, and making a good life for yourself and your family is a hell of a lot harder in Mexico than it is in America. The “Land of Opportunity” isn’t just a cliche for these people, it’s a reality. It’s probably the only opportunity a lot of them will ever have to get a better life for their kids, and don’t think you wouldn’t do the exact same thing if you were in their shoes. And the argument that they’re “stealing our jobs” is silly. Do you really plan on paying the mortgage or putting the kids through college by working at McDonald’s? These people don’t even have high school educations!

And what’s this business about “importing votes?” Huh? Maybe I’m missing something, but how is that even possible? You can’t vote unless you’re registered (in my state, anyway), and you can’t register unless you’re a citizen. How are illegals supposed to vote for Democrats, or anybody else for that matter? If the Democrats are trying to go easy on illegals, it’s to make their legal, voting family members happy, no?

A fence is just a band-aid. It’s a simple solution tailored for sound bites.

Instead of saying, “Build a fence, keep them out, yeah, their lives may suck, but that’s their problem,” show some Christian compassion, stop and reflect, and realize what the real problem is: the huge economic disparity between Mexico and America. There’s a reason Canadians aren’t streaming across the border, after all.

Mexico’s #1 industry is oil (state controlled, by the way), and virtually 100% of its surplus is bought by us. It’s #2 industry is people living in America and sending money back home to their families. #3 is tourism. Mexico might as well already be a welfare state! America, for its own good, needs to do more to support competition and capitalism in their economy. A fence isn’t going to stop people who are truly determined, you have to make people want to stay in Mexico. Mexico needs to be just as much a Land of Opportunity as America and Canada are. America can help make that possible.

This isn’t welfare, this is investment. They get better wages, our corporations get cheap labor, they get better standards of living and we get cheaper products so our paychecks go further. Carrots, not sticks. A two-pronged approach: American corporations bringing better lives to Mexicans while American Government makes sure our corporations compete on a level field by making sure the Mexican government keeps corruption to a minimum.

Heck, a good start might be to update the trade regulations so that Mexico can compete with China for American dollars. Now there’s a thought! Wouldn’t you prefer to do business with a friendly neighbor that needs some assistance, rather than a country on the other side of the world that’s actively working against us?

Illegal immigration isn’t something that can be fixed with a fence, it requires a renaissance in Mexico’s government and economy. America can help make that happen by seriously investing in our neighbor rather than making a futile attempt to wall them off.

Great argument. I believe the Soviets used the same line of thinking when they left the Berlin wall in place for so many decades. I can hear the sound bit 30 years from now… “Mr. President, tear down that wall!”

TJ…you’re missing something. The politicians keep wanting to give illegals amnesty, promise them the moon and make them American Citizens…then they can vote. They then vote for the guy that made them the best “offer” or told them the best lie. The illegals then learn to take advantage of “the system” and they have a free ride for the rest of their lives and even teach these methods to their children and guess who gets to pay for them to sit on their dead butts…ME and the rest of the Americans that are working their butts of to make an honest living. To give you an actual example: I know of “people” who had jobs and were also getting government subsidies such as well-fare and foodstamps. The government stepped up and told one of people that she was making to much money to continue recieving her government subsidies…guess what she did? She quit the job she had so she could keep getting her government handouts! Another example: Two employees worked for a local hardware store that went out of business. These two employees KNEW the store was going to close it’s doors for almost a year a ahead of time (plenty of time find another job). In fact, they were actually told that it would be a good idea if they began looking for another job. But instead of looking and applying for another job as any other honest, hard working American citizen would, they lived off the government by collecting unemployment “benifits” for as long as they could. This has been going on for years.

You call the fence a band-aide…well we need to start somewhere or one of these days the United States of America will end up being just like Mexico!

One more thing; do you remember the Mexico City earth quake and all the assistance the U.S. and other countries sent there…guess who took the majority of aide. The Mexican government.

give me a break! the environmentalists are crying about a couple of wild cats’ mating rituals while completely ignoring the piles of garbage strewn along our southern border which threatens all sorts of wildlife including wild cats!
environmentalists, you need to wake up to the fact of what is really happening. look at the trash the illegal aliens leave behind when they cross the border. dirty clothing, backpacks, shoes, plastic gallon jugs, plastic wrappers….you name it, it’s there in piles knee deep. much of it is also buried beneath the surface soil due to wind and weather and more feet trampling it in every day.

build that fence and put razor wire along each side of it as well as the top.

We need to help each other all over the United States of America to “wall them off.” We have already faught the Mexican/American war, they lost. I don’t want to live in Mexico, I don’t want to live in Canada (although I would visit them and take my tourist dollars). Right now we are living in dangerous times. The Corporate elite does not have to deal with the immigrants moving into their neighboorhood, as they have the walls and the iron fences. We in suburbia have to educate them, go to the hospital with them, shop with them in our own back yards. They say we are scaring their kids, well they are scaring our children as well. One day the kid speaks english in class, the next day the teacher has changed and the entire class speaks Spanish! Also, our kids know that when they come, so does the MS13. They are breaking up our families every time one of them hits a child running to the bus, they don’t understand that in America when the school bus stops everybody stops. But your kid is like a football going up in the air dead. Or perhaps a mother and father are coming home from a much deserved evening out and they are hit head on by a drunk illegal immigrant, who although has gotten a legal license from the State of Maryland (thanks O’Malley) but is still illegal. These two families are now broken up, but in the worst way, the child is dead and so are the parents. The illegals in both instances seem to survive and both keep going because they are illegal and they don’t give a darn!

Don’t align these people with the black and white struggle regarding civil rights, black and white people in America know what racism feels like and trust me, this is not it! As a matter of fact it is disgusting to see these people come into our voting places and vote and can not even speak english. Black people in America just had to have an act of Congress to allow them to vote at least for another 25 years! Give me a break!

Response to TJ,

I honestly like many of your ideas, I agree it would be very good to deal more with Mexico than China.

The difficulty comes from the corruption in Mexico that often makes our efforts futile. Businesses can lose tons of money dealing with corrupt politicians and organized crime, which makes it difficult for us to make Mexico an attractive alternative for businesses.
Unfortunately, many important steps we wouldn’t be able to make without drawing accusations of infringing upon Mexico’s sovereignty.

Oops, better watch it there Cal. Your colleagues Michael Barone and Mort Kondracke aren’t going to like your “nativism.” And you’d better watch out for Bill Kristol too - he thinks people opposed to amnesty are “yahoos.”

And how dare you call this an invasion. McCain himself has said these are “God’s children” and that “we need to take care of them.” McCain also said Mexico is “our dearest friend” and that Spanish was spoken in Arizona before English was. It must be so! Johnny Mac wouldn’t lie to us, or do something just because he knows it will antagonize conservatives, would he?

How ignorant can you possibly be Mr. Thomas? America’s immigration policy isn’t about what’s good for America. It’s about what Mexico City and the Chamber of Commerce and La Raza and the Catholic Church want.

Let’s call it what it is- the BORDER. Not the border on my tablecloth but the border between two countries. We will use the wall to define/outline the border. I don’t understand how people can object to our wanting to DEFINE OUR BORDERS. We wouldn’t have to do this if people honored our border, but they aren’t. Let’s blame the people that really deserve the blame for this-those that chose to come to our country illegally. I guess one could also blame all the drug addicts in this country for all the drug smugglers. Oh, that’s right, we can’t do that-we have to understand they can’t help themselves.

Cal, you’re right up to a point. the fence, sure, but why in the world would we want to give citizenship to those whose first act was to disregard our laws? Then, if they got jobs by presenting illegal papers, stolen IDs or stolen Social Security numbers, they’ve committed a felony. Do we want to bestow our most precious birthright on felons? I hope not. And, to say those who’ve been here the longerst might get on the famous path to citizenship - you’re saying those who’ve broken the laws the longest should get preferential treatment. I can’t buy it. All illegals need to be sent home before we can even discuss a guest worker program. We are the laughingstock of the world. I would go so far as to cut off all financial aid to Mexico and those countries who urge their people to break our laws. We’ve become a nation of wimps, and the two candidates, one of whom will be President want to wave that magic wand of citizenship. We have no help there, so we need to elect to Congress those who have a spine and will stand up and say, “no mas!”

I think we should all stop buying anything that is labeled in spanish. Then contact the makers of these products and tell them that you will not buy any of their products that are labeled in spanish.
Business’ that offer services in spanish should be avoided and told the same.
Lets make them lose as much business from us, as they gain from hispanics. That is the only language big corps (and government) understand or care about….money.

BOYCOTT spanish labeled products and services!

CAL SAYS IT BEAUTIFULLY: SHORT AND SIMPLE. WE ARE BEING INVADED AND WE NEED A FENCE. THE FENCE WILL NOT STOP IT COMPLETELY BUT IT WILL SLOW THE ILLEGAL INVADERS (10% OF WHOM WERE VIOLENT CRIMINALS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES BEFORE EVER COMING HERE) DOWN ENOUGH TO WHERE OUR PRECIOUS BORDER PATROL AGENTS WHO RISK THEIR LIVES DAILY TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION CAN CATCH THEM. NOTHING DOES ANYTHING COMPLETELY BUT THIS WOULD BE AN INCREDIBLE HELP (IF IT WERE A 2 OR 3 TIER FENCE AS ISRAEL HAS WHICH HAS STOPPED 90% OF THEIR INTERIOR TERRORISM - WE WERE PROMISED THIS 2 TIER FENCE AND CHERTOFF HAS RENEGED AND PUT A SINGLE FENCE WHICH WILL NOT DO MUCH!!! ANOTHER SHAM TO MAKE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THINK OUR GOV’T IS DOING SOMETHING WHEN THEY REALLY HAVE ANOTHER AGENDA CALLED THE NAU (NORTH AMERICAN UNION TO “MERGE” US WITH THE MOST CORRUPT COUNTRY ON EARTH - MEXICO! NO ONE IN THIS COUNTRY WANTS TO MERGE WITH ANYONE MUCH LESS MEXICO WHO CAN’T RUN THEIR OWN COUNTRY BUT AS MANY ILLEGAL MEXICANS HAVE TOLD ME THEY ARE COMING TO TAKE BACK “THEIR” LAND (IT IS NOT THEIR LAND - MEXICO OWNED WHAT IS THE SW OF THIS NATION FOR ALL OF 24 YEARS AND THEIR INDIGENOUS (MOSTLY AZTECS & MAYANS) WERE “N E V E R” UP HERE. THEY ARE ALL FULL OF MALARKEY AND FOR A COUNTRY THAT CAN’T EVEN RUN THEIR OWN, THEIR DESIRE TO TAKE OURS OVER IS INCREDIBLY STUPID! AND ALSO, BY THE WAY, SAN DIEGO HAS A FENCE THAT HAS STOPPED 95% OF THEIR ILLEGALS. FENCES WORK - BUSH JUST GAVE $23 MILLION OF OUR TAXPAYER $ TO EGYPT TO BUILD A FENCE (HOW HYPOCRITICAL CAN YOU GET. BUT THEY HE NEEDS TO DEPLETE OUR MIDDLE CLASS AND IMPOVERISH US TO MAKE THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION SO HIS DADDY CAN HAVE HIS ONE WORLD ORDER!

These open borders types here on this forum and in Washington better take a look at the American board of Physicians recommendations to stop a full blown epidemic of Multi drug resistant diseases right here in America before its too late! One of which is to quote “SEAL the border” and halt the automatic citizenship of “anchor babies” These clowns who want America to be a market place instead of our home are miss informed at best and anti American at worst.

TO JUSTICEFORALL: Very well put! I had a government professor in college; he told me the exact same thing. That Mexico/mexicans were going take over the southwest again without firing a shot. I live in the southwest and the part I live in, the white people are the minority now! I know of a resident, I’m presuming a hispanic, that has two flag poles in front of his house. On one pole he flies the American Flag, on the other pole he flies the Mexican Flag and at the same height. This guy is in the United States of America! If he wants to fly his Mexican Flag, then he needs to go to Mexico and fly it there!

I’m sick and tired of placing a phone call and having to press ‘1′ for English!!! I’m sick and tired of seeing job descriptions that prefer bilingual employees!!! I’m tired of English as second language (ESL)!!! THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA…ENGLISH SHOULD NOT BE A SECOND LANGUAGE!!!! IF YOU WANT TO COME FROM A FORIEGN COUNTRY TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU SHOULD LEARN ENGLISH OR JUST GET BY THE BEST YOU CAN!!!! Does anyone think that Mexico has Spanish as a second language??

My place of employment is about 3/4 hispanic. You know what…I think I’ll start yelling discrimination.

Comment by jeff payson June 23rd, 2008 at 7:00 pm

The invasion force can bring ladders. Does anybody at the government or commentator’s club care about how much money is spent vs. effectiveness?”

Whoa, what an absurd “rationale”. Somehow, when it comes to putting a fence around the White House or a residential community that so many opponents of the border fence live, the moronic argument “show me a 10 ft fence and I will show you an 11 ft ladder” doesn’t work.

The border fence is a necessary (but by no means the only) step towards regaining control of our Southern border. Although it’s not 100% effective (nothing really is), it’s effective enough to thwart mass illegal “migration” of Mexicans into the U.S. And this is the main reason why they oppose it so vehementely.

Comment by jeff payson June 23rd, 2008 at 7:00 pm
The invasion force can bring ladders. Does anybody at the government or commentator’s club care about how much money is spent vs. effectiveness?

Whoa, what an absurd “rationale”. Somehow, when it comes to putting a fence around the White House or a residential community that so many opponents of the border fence live, the moronic argument “show me a 10 ft fence and I will show you an 11 ft ladder” doesn’t work.

The border fence is a necessary (but by no means the only) step towards regaining control of our Southern border. Although it’s not 100% effective (nothing really is), it’s effective enough to thwart mass illegal “migration” of Mexicans into the U.S. And this is the main reason why they oppose it so vehementely.

For Brett Allen,

As both a proud gun owner and a Christian with a Bible, my suggestion for you would be to hop across the border with the Mexicans you like so much before the fence is built. The influx of Mexican people into our country is far too great for our economy to handle. While I may agree with you that most Mexicans I’ve seen are hard workers, if they are here illegally, they cause far more problems than if they came in on a work visa.

Ask any trucker on the road how many Mexicans are now illegally driving trucks over the road. There’s one for you Brett. One of these lovely friends of yours smashes you into pieces when he falls asleep behind the wheel of a truck and he is not required in any way to pay for any damages or injuries you have. Why? Because he is here illegally and our justice system has no way to punish them if they aren’t a citizen. I have several friends and relatives driving over the road who tell me horror stories about these idiots who have been given only 3 to 7 days training to drive a big rig down our highways.

Anyway, the simple fact of the matter is this, Brett, you’re an idiot. If you think Mexicans coming into this country working for less money is a good thing (it will lower everyone’s wages, including yours) you should probably find the hole these guys are sneaking through and head south. I hear the cheap labor has done wonders for the Mexican economy. As for the comment about right wing people finding a place to hide clutching their guns and bibles, I’ll correct that for you; The intelligent people (right wing) in this country are finally showing some sense by removing idiots like yourself (ignorant left wingers) and taking back elections that have been won for years by illegal votes by people who aren’t even citizens. We will, in fact, be standing proud and holding our guns and our Bibles as we look through our new border fence that will FINALLY bring a new level of protection to this country. It is people like yourself that weaken and cheapen the values of the USA and stupid, uneducated opinions like the one you made here only undermine those values even more. Read a book on economics and, while you’re at it, read one on socialism (which is what it appears you and most left wingers want) and perhaps you can see the error of your ways. American citizenship is the most sought after in the world for a reason: This is the greatest country on this planet. Love it or leave it.

Great ariticle Cal. 100% agreement from me.

Chris—you are absolutely right!!!! Some to alot of money that these Mexicans earn here in the United States ends up right back in Mexico so it doesn’t do the American economy one bit of good!!

For those who don’t think or believe we need a fence or some other deterant on our border to keep the illeagals out, go to the Fox News website and read the article “Ariz. Robbery Sparks Fears of Mexican Military Threat”!

Was just watching Just In with Laura Ingraham and they were talking about illegal aliens in this country. Wanna see something that is even more disturbing look at “Harsh Laws” on “you tube”. This is sad. It seems that all we do in this country is try to take over the weak countries that have the oil and we can’t even do that let alone fix the immagration problem that we have in this country. It seems that the latest regime that we have in this country is all caught up in how many wars we can fight at once. If we dealt with the real problems here and not worry about countries that can’t take care of themselves maybe we would be better off. I don’t know if anybody has noticed but gas is at $4 a gallon and we are in control of a country that has a lot of it and what do they spend over there? I betcha it’s nowhere near $4 dollars. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

While we are at it lets not forget the crazy socialists who live to the north of us. They are just as dangerous as the Mexicans.

A rational person must ask, “Why didn’t our elected government build this wall decades ago?” The answer is simple. There was money to be made by ducking this issue. Special Interest Groups hire Lobbyists to spread some cash around inside the Beltway. Cheap wages, zero taxes, and no benefits for tens of thousands of workers is a mighty strong inducement to inter into a