Third Time’s a Charm
By Ellen Ratner
Bureau Chief, Talk Radio News Service
Today is my brother Michael Ratner’s birthday and it is a “milestone” year, which we celebrated as a family last night. We toasted him, not just because he reached a great age, but because the Supreme Court handed him the best birthday gift a human rights attorney could possibly have; detainees are entitled to petition the courts in the time honored legal principal known as habeas corpus.
Michael is the president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, the legal organization that brought the first case on behalf of the Guantanamo detainees. He has been working day and night, through family vacations and weekends since 2002 on behalf of men (and even boys) detained without trial. It has not been without lots of hate e-mails and calls from people who consider him a terrorist sympathizer.
Far from being a terrorist sympathizer, Michael is a great believer in the Constitution and the rule of law in the United States. My family grew up mid-century thinking that the Soviet Union’s lack of real court trials was anathema to a real democracy. So, it was horrifying to many of us to find out that United States under the Bush Administration decided to lock up people with no access to trial. Three times there have been cases before the Supreme Court. Each time the Bush administration has found some way to make sure that the Gitmo detainees did not get their day in court.
As Justice Kennedy wrote for the majority yesterday “The laws and the Constitution are designed to survive and remain in force, in extraordinary times. Liberty and security can be reconciled, and in our system they are reconciled within the framework of the law.”
Senator Lindsay Graham (R-SC) said he will try for a Constitutional Amendment to “blunt” the decision. It will go nowhere fast. The Bush administration will also try to slow this down as they do not want their “enhanced interrogation” techniques to come to the open light of day in the United States court system. This case is not just about the Guantanamo detainees it is about the backbone of our legal system and the rights and freedoms we all cherish. I am proud of my brother and proud of the United States Supreme Court.


So what is your brothers solution, have trials with rules of evidence, facing your accuser, rules of discovery, appeals, rules of speedy trials? All of these in my mind, (two tour veteran) seem to be an undo burden placed upon a military (not a police force) and the soldiers involved. I think this might be why so many people like me fill like this is counter-productive to America’s interest. But then again the likes of you and your brother, never worry about the real world, where unworkable ideas serve to do nothing but waste American lives.
Does Ms Ratner realize that Obama bin Laden stopped using his cell phone because of a “fair trial”?
BTW, Congratulations on your brother’s windfall!
Dear Rick, June 19th,
I’m afraid you are incorecct. The Supreme Courts purpose is to interepret the law, NOT the Constitution. Our founding Fathers never thought anyone would need to interepret the Constitution.
Article IV of the U.S. Constitution expressly gives the Supreme Courts authority. Interpretation of the Constitution is NOT one of them. The Supreme Court assumed that authority back in the 1800’s and has never been challenged.
If anyone is interested, I am a military retiree after 20 years and was assigned to foreign countries a few time and have seen how other countries live. I prefer the U.S.A.
God Bless America
It is a human rights issue when it comes to giving the enemy rights in courts, but not an human rights thing when it comes to war to save people from a dictator.
Ellen, I’d like to believe that you’ve learned from the responses you received here. There are so many good ones clearly stating and restating for you all the best reasons why your premises and conclusions are wrong. You are fortunate to have such astute and well-informed readers.
Are you wise enough to listen to them — and learn about your country?
I cannot believe how Liberals insist on the “Al Qaeda Bill of Rights”, and our Sub-Prime Court has the Authority to rewrite the Constitution. Obama is right; we need CHANGE, but not his Liberal ACLU change. We need people who understand the original writing and intent of the Constitution, not sissy bleeding hearts who want to rewrite it.
These cowards (the Terrorist, not Liberals) use the most Barbaric murderous techniques to kill innocence victims. These are not uniformed soldiers who represent a Country, for which the Geneva Convention is applicable. These are sub-human Barbarians without a Country, who fight dirty, ruthlessly, and barbarically. They need to be exterminated like the murderous scum they are. Do these Liberals think these barbarians have remorse or a conscience? They have NO rights to even be on the same planet as human beings.
But then again, the first people they will get rid of when they take over are the whining Liberals.
Ms. Ratner, I am a decorated double-combat veteran of the 82nd Airborne Division, and was a sworn police officer for 7 years. Having travelled broadly, and having witnessed frst hand the lawlessness and evil, that people can inflict upon each other, I am troubled not only by this court’s decision, but also by people like you, who cannot comprehend the inherent danger terrorists pose to not only us, but also to you, and your family. What rights and liberties have been shown to westerners captured by thugs and militants in the Middle East, Ms. Ratner? What unspeakable horrors have befallen them? You, and other Americans(I use that name loosely) like you, have evidently never been in harms way a day in your lives. You have evidently never been held under someone elses control, to do to you what they will. You ma’am, have never felt abject horror and felt that you were about to die. I hope you never do. Myself, and millions of Americans like me, have fought and died, to keep you from ever having to experience the horrors that are part of the real world. That world that is outside of academia. That world that is more than just theory. If a majority of Americans had felt the same way as you do, we would be the Germanic Republic of Socialist States today. You have something in common with Justice Kennedy, ma’am. You’ve both been educated far beyond your capacity to comprehend.
And I am sure when the trials start these enemy combatants will be telling the truth!! Yeah right. When they report how badly they were treated no amount of evidence to show otherwise will not matter becuase according to the left America is evil. To try their case, are we going to find the soldiers involved in the capture and put them on the stand and defend their reason to capture? Will the terroist be requied to put their hand on the bible and tell the truth, the whole truth…..That they really want to kill us. Will they be found innocent because they were not read their Miranda rights. If Osama Bin Laden is found and captured is he presumed innocent until proven guilty? According to Ms Ratner and her Lawyer borther he is.
Yes and I too would like to the part of the Genova convention Ms. Ratner is referring to. If it was so important in the ruling why did she not include in her opinion.
Ms Ratner is a typical Liberal trying to do “something good” but never considering the concsequences of their actions of supposed good intentions.
Hi Ellen,
I came late to this discussion, and I have a question about the Geneva Conventions and the way combat situations have been conducted in previous wars. Doesn’t the Convention apply to uniformed combatants? Aren’t people out of uniform considered spies and often exposed to a different set of standards that of a convenctional soldier. Since our current enemies do not adhere to any sembelance of standard warfare, is it even applicable to stand on the Geneva Convention as our guideline?
Is there any credence to the idea that exposing the enemy combatants to habeus corpus and the subsequent court room activities may expose our intelligence services to compromise?
And finally, doesn’t the effort to make the functions of Guantanamo into a legal rights battle reflect the idea that certainly, our country MUST be violating everyone’s civil rights, because, in some peoples minds, that is what we do? In other words, we are the bad guys!
Sorry Ellen, you are wrong, these are not USA civilians, these are people that engaged in a war against us. They deserve a trial only after the war is over, not during the war. We captured Japanese, Germans, and Italians, and they did not have a trial until after the war, then they went in front of a military tribunal. I am tired of the court trying to manage the war, that is NOT their job, their job is to interpret the constitution. The judicial branch is out of control due to liberal activist judges, think our country is doomed to the same result as every other strong nation and we have no desire to take over the world, like the Romans and many others….sigh
Michael Ratner is a traitor. He is among those who defend those who would kill our country’s way of life. He defends the Geneva Covention for those who would kill us for who we are. He has blood on his hands.
The terrorists have NO rights. They worked to KILL us and end our EXISTENCE! To defend them means you do NOT love the Constitution, and that you are a traitor. The 5 Black Robed Tyrants are traitors as well.
I just wonder if people ever read the Constitution anymore. Article IV expressly gives the Supreme Courts authority. Interpretation of the Constitution is NOT one of them. The Supreme Court assumed that authority back in the 1800’s and has never been challenged. The enemy terrorists should be handled by the military and not American courts. Keep the Supreme Court out of the law making business.
God Bless America!
I just read about the Geneva Convention being applied to enemy combatants. The Geneva Convention does not apply to the enemy not in a uniform of a countrys military. Sorry, but you were wrong with that comment. As for the rule of law since the 1300’s, the U.S was not around then and we designed a Constitution that applies to persons in the U.S.A., not enemy terrorists in another country. They do NOT have Constitutional rights.
God Bless the U.S.A.
As pointed out by Rush Limbaugh, since the LEFT is always whining about our not having found Osama bin Laden — and killing him — I guess they really didn’t mean that. Since they’re wildly cheering this insanely sangerous ruling, someday we’ll give Osama a trial in NYC and the lib jury will find him not guilty by reason of insanity. Ms. Ratner, I hope you and your brother feel safe when you’re both thrown in that rubber room with him, because this decision is INSANE.
“sorry, this has been bedrock of law since the 1300’s. we don’t and should not lock anyone up and not give them a trial. It is a human right. Ellen”
What part of the “bedrock of law” deals with enemy combatants? The problem is that most documents that liberals cite (Magna Carta, Constitution, etc.) do not deal with enemy combatants. You see, as hard as it is for short-sighted liberals to comprehend, until very recently the way to deal with these people was to summarily execute some of them on the spot and enslave the rest of them. Now you want to apply the Constitution to these people. That’s fine if that’s you’re opinion, but understand that this has NEVER been done before. Do you think that we can still win wars when we treat the enemy better than our own soldiers (I was a prison guard in Iraq)? Maybe so, but if our country ceases to exist because we can’t win wars, then what good will our holier-than-thou attitude do for us?
As many have said, the Gitmo detainees are prisoners of war and, as such, fall under the protections offered by the Geneva Convention. They, and all other POWs, should not have access to civilian courts. As POWs, the proper venue for any trial is a military courts-martial.
And, yes, under the Geneva Convention, they may be detained without trial until the cessation of hostilities. Under the circumstances, that is not a bad situation as they are receiving better food and medical care than they ever have.
The major effect of this Supreme Court decision is that there will be far fewer prisoners taken on the field of battle in this particular war. It’s a shame because prisoners are also an intelligence source. Lack of that intelligence is going to cost the lives of even more American servicemen and women.
Ellen what part of the Geneva convention are you refering to? Please print the whole section I believe you are make a very general statement here.
Although I aplaud Michael Ratner’s opportunity before the Supreme Court Of The United States, I must disagree with the decision of the Court. The detainees deserve to be dealt justice in accordance with the Geneva Convention Rules of War. A Military Tribunal is far more than they deserve. Our liberal Courts are turning this Nation into a “super target” for any fanatic with the ability to carry any weapon. Congratulations Michael. Evidently you are a great Attorney. Your sister, Ellen, is justifiably very proud of you.
The Constitution only applies to US citizens. The Geneva Convention only applies to uniformed members of another country. These individuals are neither, so they don’t apply. As far as human rights go, there are so many watch dogs looking at GITMO that you can be assured that detainees are being provided the basics. Even US prisons are better than many countries.
Lastly, name me one war that was won by being nice.
they are terrorists (criminals really) captured on the battlefield outside of the United States and held outside of the United States. They actually should have been shot right after capture but now that’s past history. the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction. Bush, in this instance, should have taken Jackson’s policy on the Supreme Court…”they’ve ruled now let them try to enforce their ruling.” POWs with Habeus Corpus rights….stupidly unbelievable.
I THINK HE WOULD HAVE ENJOYED A TIE BETTER THAN WHAT YOU WANT HIM TO HAVE !!!
This “milestone” that you are so proud will become a “millstone” around the nect of the US. This ruling will cause undue harm to many American citizens and damage to this country as a whole. Liberals are like cancers, they just eat up everything good in their way.
Now that the Supreme Court Judges have declared their Political affilations and as we all should be aware, the Circuit Courts haven’t follow the Constitution for quite awhile now, I will ask this question?
Is it time to for Citizens to elect every Judge in America to 4 year terms? With 2 term limits and be held accountable for decisions they make that do not follow the Constitution and the Right’s of the individual State Governments.
Top to bottom, from the Supeme Court to the Traffic Court Judges they are nothing more Political Puppets and are making up laws based on personal view points, or maybe personal gain, not on previous decisions that have already been through the Court System. Many of the decisions seemed to be based on lobbying from the highest paid Lawyer’s.
Lifetime positions in any form of our Government are a mistake, an example might be Congress,
the longer they reside in Washington, the richer they become. 2 term limits should also apply as well to Local and State Politicians.
A Government by the people has become a Government for Sale to Special Intrests, especially in our Judical System!! Reference the ACLU and what they have done to destory decency in our Country.
We as Citizen’s seem to lose more rights and the Special Intrest Groups gain more favors with each re-elected official. Maybe two terms, like the President should be what all Judges and Politicians are allowed.
Thank God for the Supreme Court, protecting our freedoms, especially Habeas Corpus.
My god, to read these comments one would believe that these terrorist suspects (note that second word) held at gitmo were evil supermen capable of destroying the US with a wave of their hand!
I am sad for all of you who think that our country and Constitution is so small and frail that it cannot handle the likes of these terrorist SUSPECTS (oh there is that word again). I wish you could come and visit my America where lived through things that other timid people thought would destroy the country like freeing the slaves, giving women the right to vote, allowing unions to organize, allowing people of two different races to marry. We lived through the cold war, race riots, disco music and we only get stronger. Sure we may get our nose bloodied from time to time but in my America we can take it. The America I live in the land of the free and the home of the brave!
I am curious, Tom or Doug Jordan or Katherine, if you are on a vacation in Brazil or Turkey or Russia, and I give the FBI or CIA a tip that you are a terrorist and they pick you up and drop you in GITMO can they keep you there? What if you have a gun at the time? What if you have a foreign friend with you can they keep him/her?
I can’t decide which is worse — letting terrorists loose to kill more Americans, liberal justices who are so power-hungry that they would skewer the Constitution and decide that prisoners of war (which is what they actually are) held in foreign countries have the same rights as Americans, which is NOT a decision the Supreme Court is entitled to make in the first place, or morons who support this decision. What about prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan??? Do they also have these same rights? That this is a ludicrous and, more importantly, DANGEROUS unconstitutional decision should be obvious to any American.
These liberal justices are determined to strip the executive and legislative branches of their power, rather than provide a check and balance, which is their ONLY job, when it comes to these kinds of decisions. This case should have been THROWN out, NEVER heard, and considered out of bounds for the Supreme Court. It is a disaster of momumental proportions, and as one of the dissenting justices said, it WILL cause more people to die. This decision is typical of liberal rogue judges all over this country making decisions to further their liberal agenda and turn this country into a socialist nightmare. Where are our leaders to fight this battle for America? God help us all.
These detainies ARE NOT American citizens. They SHOULD NOT have the rights that American citizens have. I guess Ellen and Michael Ratner would like the detainies released so they can plan another attack on the United States except the next attack may kill many, many more than 3600 some odd American citizens. Do you think that the Americans and American soldiers that are captured in Iraq as POWs have rights? Remember the beheadings? The people who were killed and injured in 9/11 weren’t doing anything except going about their everyday life…inocent men, women and children. And Ellen and Michael Ratner want these people to have rights?
As an old Marine, first point in this scenario - is to not take any prisoners. That will solve the issue of them having more rights than our guys. My second point is that I have two sons who have served in Iraq; and with the Supremes Choke job on this issue - I am sorry that they risked everything to defend this position and the Left/liberals that seem to have one ambition to destroy this country and to replace it with something else that meets their agenda. Hatred as mentioned by “despicable” above - No!!!! I’m just tired of sitting here, over the years, and watching a liberal agenda being pounded down our throats by the media, lawyers, courts, politicans, and other do-gooders that never got out of the 60’s and 70’s that think anybody that is responsible, works for a living, becomes successful is someone that must be eliminated from society.
If these detainees were classified as prisoners of war, would they get the benefit of the Constitution? Does someone in Brazil, Russia, Hungary, etc have the rights spelled out in the Constitution? I don’t remember reading in history books about all the effort the American Supreme Court put into the handling of Nazi war criminals or those responsible for the Bataan Death March.
I am saddened that you believe this was a good decision. American citizens who live long enough to view this decision as a part of history will also lament the damage they will have experienced because of it. I won’t be here 20 years from now, but my children and grandchildren will. The ACLU and lawyers like them care nothing for our safety or for what is morally right. The whole thing is a game to them, an exercise to see if they can push the rest of us over the edge. Our road to hell is paved with their so-called good intentions. In God We Trust. for men are fatally flawed.
The funny thing is, I agree with most of you on this issue, but the way some of you choose to word your arguments is downright despicable. You sound like a pack of wild animals frothing at the mouth, so filled with hate. It’s absolutely despicable that some of you call yourselves Americans with such hate filling your hearts. The lot of you are cowards who hide behind anonymous screenname while spewing vile rhetoric that would make Rush Limbaugh blush. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. You’re not Americans, you’re animals barely out of the jungle.
From now on the job will be much easier. Kill them on the battlefield. If they start going through the courts.. idiots like Ratner and the media will make heroes out of them.
Other than the obvious letting a bunch of sleazy lawyres get these guys off the hook.
There is one more thing that will be guaranteed by this decision. From here forward these ‘enemy combatants’ won’t be making any trips to Guantanomo or any other prison for that matter.
I have seen the justice system fail miserably many times passing judgment on thoses who have perpitrated crimes. The laws are to easily minipulated by defense lawyers and criminals get away with rape, sexual crimes on children and even murders (ex: O.J.)
We need a system which shows less mercy for the perpertrator then the victim. These detanies of Gitmo showed no mercy why must we. They should be tried as crimilals of war. God help us all if we do not hear the innocent blood spilled on 9/11 by these WAR CRIMIALS.
Watch how these terrorist will get away with spilling this blood. I have no faith in our civial court system. hello this is nothing to celebrate.
The face of modern liberalism - everyone is a victim, including terrorists who want to destroy the west, so lets all bend over backwards and give them a bunch of rights regardless of their intent.
This current gang of leftists would probably have let a lot of Nazi war criminals walk as well.
Its beyond belief. The USA is becoming a laughing stock.
Your brother should be hung for treason. In fact all American liberals should be hung for treason. They are the true terrorists who are intent on destroying this great country.
Just a thought, but is your brother also a proud member of the ACLU?
This is truly amazing. I thought the oil commentary was extreme, this one takes the cake. The US Constitution defines the rights of man but is not limiting, since all rights not enumerated in the document are reserved for the people. The jurisdiction of the Constitution is the US and its territories. The funny thing here is how we have contorted a question of War into a question of criminality.
If the guys in GITMO were picked up in Chicago or Buffalo, by law eforcement for committing or planning to commit crimes of terror, they are to be tried in civilian proceedings. If committing espionage, they could be tried and executed as spies. If they are captured on the battlefield, they are combatants. If they are not sanctioned by a state or in unifiorm, they are unlawful, and potential spies, liable to be shot on sight. GITMO first and fore most is a prisoner of war camp. As such, the US Constitution doesn’t apply as it hasn’t in every other war.
Oran’s Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: “…[a]…citizen’s actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation].” In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.
I’d like to give Ms. Ratnes’s brother the benefit of doubt and his misguided high-minded moral thinking, but his action and that of the liberal establishment smell of treason. Many of the released prisoner have recaptured on battlefield. One recently has commited a suicide bombing. HMMMM…. aiding an enemy to make war against us…. sounds like TREASON.
Please remember, this war has been going on since before 9/11, we just chose to ignored it.
This sure seems to tie in to the Liberal mindset that it is all our fault. Our policies, our prosperity, created all of this…. HMMMMM.
Your brother is misguided and so are you. The constitution is not a suicide pact. We did not have to give the blood earned freedoms and rights of Americans to those who would kill us. In fact, aiding them. His foolishness will cost lives and lead to more attacks eventually. His triumph will cause high fiving in Islamist circles for years. They will laugh at the infidels who cannot bring themselves to do that which is necessary in war. They will sleep well, knowing the West confirmed once again, it doesn’t have the stomach to fight or the will to win.
I hope you sleep as well tonight. Soon all our dreams will be troubled, when the coming litigation flood unleashes these animals on the world once more.
I too am a veteran. Your brothers high minded ideals are admirable, from 50,000 feet. As Mr. Paris said, perhaps now, your victorious brother can take up the matter of how these murderous fanatics treat their captives. Somehow though, I doubt it.
I know that if this stands up, my comrades and I won’t be taking in a whole lotta NEW detainees. Bet it up: if they’re “low-ranking” or “minor,” we might just disarm them and let ‘em run. If they’re “important” … well, we just won’t, that’s all.
Stupid game….
How those who acknowledge no rule of law can be allowed to hide behind that which they not only ignore but seek to destroy is beyond me.
We protect the right to a fair and open trial, because we believe in it, irrespective of who is on trial. In fact, if we only wanted open and fair trials for people we liked or thought were “civilized” we probably wouldn’t need them quite as much. Those trials are, in part, to protect the innocent, but they are also to protect ourselves from descending into the kind of brutality that some of these messages denounce. In other words, we don’t do it “for them” we do it for us — for who we are and need to fight to remain being. It is a time honored and deeply held American principle. Consequantly, Michael Ratner is the most important kind of patriot and American leader.
If we believe in the basic protections in our Constitution, and I think we should, we should be more than pleased to extend them to every human being in our orbit. It is the only way to demonstrate why our Constitutional principles are worth dying for.
This once great country is going down the tubes. If this generation had to fight WWII, we’d lose in a heartbeat. Thank the lawyers, especially the ‘Supreme’ court and those who agree with this awful decision.
The congress and President worked hard on this deal. Now the court has changed it.
I too am proud of my relatives a son who works at Gitmo providing medical care for detainees, my son-in-law who watches funerals of people killed by “innocent terrorists. I am a military retiree who is proud of my service which in some small part allows Americans to be secure at night.
An unfortunate side affect of the decision is to condemn more terroristd to death on the battlefield rather than be offered the opportunity to surrender. The downside to that approach is the potential information they may possess is lost also.
Perhaps your brother could counsel the terror organization on how to justly treat their captives.
Habeus Corpus is in our original Constitution because it is a fundamental human right. It was acknowledged as a right before there was a Bill of Rights.
The Supreme Court has acted appropriately in the face of an administration which was denying basic human rights. Rights which are _more fundamental than the original Constitution_ and that are inherent to all men, citizens or not.
We all can read Wikipedia–concentrate on the concepts of “endowed by their Creator” and “unalieable”:
Declaration of Independence 1776
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Massachusetts Constitution of 1780, which predates the U.S. Constitution by seven years, and was the first of its kind in the world.
Article I. All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential, and unalienable rights; among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property; in fine, that of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness.
Hope you’ll be happy when there is blood on the hands of the like of your brother and the court. People will die as a result of this decision.
When citizen rights are granted to those who are caught in the act of agression against our country on battlefields outside of the US it is a sad day. The framers of our constitution never envisioned such a raping of the document…..
Wow! Another lawyer scam, under the guise of doing the right Socialist thing!
Now that Michael Ratner, head of the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), has convinced the 3rd
part of the U.S. Government to stomp on the U.S. Constitution, I would hope he will work as hard
to insure the Excutive, Legislator and the Judical branches to give back Our Right’s to the State
Governments. Where our Constitutional Right’s Belong!
All three Branch’s of our Federal Government have been failing American’s for several decades now, with no relief in sight.
But, if people like Michael Ratner scare you as much as they scare me, you just might take a look
at person who believes in what the Constitution and Bill of Right’s truly mean, not what the Washington Politican’s have changed into a profitable scam, you owe it to yourselves to a least look.
You don’t have to agree, but what have the 2 Parties truly done for you or our Country lately?
Please remember, the Supreme Courts Judge’s are nothing more than Democrate and Republican Politician’s. They also lobby hard for these 9 guaranteed, well paying life time job’s. They may be Brilliant Lawyer’s/Judges, but as we see now, they do have not a lick of Common Sense among them when it comes to the right’s of American’s!
http://www.bobbarr2008.com ****TO RECLAIM AMERICA!****
Since when have combatants either legal or illegal had rights in any civilian court? If they are legal combatants then they are considered POWs and treated as provided under the Geneva Convention with the rights and protections granted there. If the are illegal, which the prisoners at Gitmo are, they they have only the rights granted to them by the capturing government and it DOES NOT include access to a civilian court. To be exact under international laws of war they can be shot on sight, although most civilized countries don’t. If desired they can be tried by a military court. They can be held without a trial but nowhere in there is there the right to a civilian court. Our “bad” treatment of the prisoner at Gitmo is so bad that most if not all of them have gained weight. They are allowed to pray the required number of times. They are given Korans and prayer rugs. They are in better medical and dental condition than when they arrived. But then again if things are so bad, I guess we could always turn over the ones captured instead of shot, to the forces of the country where they are captured. See which one they would prefer to be imprisoned in. There or Gitmo.
SIMPLE TRUTH- THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT US CITIZENS. AND THIS STORY AND THE RULING IS A TOTAL SLAP IN THE FACE FOR THE FAMILIES OF OUR FALLEN SOLDIERS,THAT FIGHT AND DIE TO KEEP THIS COUNTRY AND CITIZENS SAFE. YOU OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES. AND WHEN ONE OF DETAINEES GET FREE, I HOPE IT’S NOT YOUR HOMETOWN THEY BOMB FIRST.
Puhleeze! Our wonderful country has turned into the habitat for liberal MORONS. What is there about foreign enemy combatants do you not understand. They are the ENEMY and NOT entitled to rights given by the constution of the United States. I know this is a losing battle, at least you should know how stupid I think Ratner and Ratner are, incliding the rest who think like them.
Rib writes:
However, neither Congress nor the Bush administration has done anything to set up a system to properly deal with these people
This is not the case. After the last Supreme Court ruling, the administration and Congress carefully crafted laws to comply with the Supreme Court’s requirements. In this latest ruling, the Court, in effect, said “Gotcha!” and changed the rules.
The Hague Convention (pre WWI) and the Geneva Convention (post WWII) allow summary execution of person found in the combat zone, in civilian clothes, carrying arms. The solution to this problem is simple: take no prisoners. In addition to saving a lot of trouble, the lawyers would lose a lot of money which is the only thing they REALLY care about.
If he is fighting to represent these terrorists, he is a real scumbag.
This is an appalling decision and one that endangers the security of the United States of America.
The Hague Covention (pre-WWI) and the Geneva Convention (post WWII) allow summary execution for persons found in combat zones carrying arms in civilian clothes.
The proper response to this ruling is: Take no more prisoners.
That has the added benefit of denying the lawyers all that money, the only thing they REALLY care about.
This utterly assinine decision by 5 irresponsible idiots on SCOTUS is reprehensible! The Constitution applies to U.S. citizens, not foreign terrorists - This is the beginning of the end for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory over Islam, who will destroy our once great Nation, as we knew it.
One may also think ‘Kelo’, when judging this current SCOTUS.
Like the old Kentucky lady said when asked how she felt by Hillary’s ” STANDING BY HER MAN “, in the face of Bill’s infidel relations,
The old woman spoke for me and the whole world, in addressing your pitiful attempt to cannonize your brothers TREASON,
She simply said “I think she is stuck on stupid”
I simply think that you and all others like you should simply be shot…… and put out of your misery. No one could possibly be that stupid….. and believe that they can get anyone to agree with them.
Rights are for civilized people of the world…. Don’t you remember that when uncivilized people
commit crimes that they lose their rights in America and the rest of the world…..
As a sympathiser to the enemy, you have given aide to them…..legal aide….that makes you and your family guilty of treason…..the penalty is that you should be shot…..
So maybe by the RULES OF THE CONSTITUTION, being interpreted literally, if we had a civil rights attorney to protect AMERICANS rights under the constitution from so called lawyers who aide the enemy, You and you pathetic brain warped family might not exist anymore and would be an example
of what would happen to any other tree hugging liberal trying to dilute our constitution and its freedoms.
To sum it up for the brainless: the U.S. Constitution is for the United States and its allies, not its enemies Why don’t you do the whole world a favor and just leave this country….for good.
Then you can go and protect someone elses constitution…..with people like you, who needs enemies.
A Veteran that served by enlistment…..to protect this country from people who think like you.
P.S. If you really want to stay her, you could claim the insanity defense…..no one in this country would dispute your claim.
AMERICAN LEADERS SEEM TO HAVE REPLACED MORAL PRINCIPAL WITH MONEY PRINCIPLE.WE HAVE LOST OUR LEADERSHIP. OUR ROAMING PRESIDENT NEEDS TO GET HIMSELF HOME AND START TO WORK ON SOLVING THE PROBLEMS OF OUR RAPIDLY DETEORATING aMERICA. THE MORE TAXES WE ARE SADDLED WITH, THE LESS VALUE WE RECEIVE. cRIME IS RAMPIENT, INFLATION IS EXPANDING, AND MANY IN CONGRESS, BY THEIR ACTIONS ARE TEACHING OUR YOUNG CITIZENS THAT IT IS PERMISSAB LE TO LIE, CHEAT, AND STEAL - IF THEY DON’T GET CAUGHT.MY 80 YEARS HAS TAUGHT ME MUCH THAT I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TEACH MY GRAND CHILDREN, AND IT HURTS.. JBS
Has everyone lost their mind, or just their ability to read. People bearing arms in a conflict and not wearing a uniform are classified as a spy and can therefore be shot on sight. This is why it is best to never let these jerks get captured in the first place just “question” them and then leave them in the dirt, dead men have a hard time filing lawsuits.
I’m a little confused here. Foreign born murderous thugs are somehow protected by the United States Constitution? Does this also mean we have to pay them Social Security when they’re too old to kill any more? This Supreme Court ruling shows supreme ignorance of how dangerous Muslim extremism really is.
I’ll bet Ellen’s bro is real happy about the decision. He’ll make millions, which WE, the taxpayers , will be forced to pay. And we will STILL be feeding and clothing these butchers and jihadiis for the next 20 years. Sigh…….. Only in America
I think this is an insane decision. Our constitution doesn’t guarantee the rights of habeas corpus to enemy coimbatants. To compare gitmo to the prisons our service men endured in Vietnamese prisons is compaing apples and oranges.
It is past time for Congress to exercise their right to pass laws that overturn the liberal Supreme Court whose judges make laws to suit themselves. That is too much to ask for though, as Congress is presently filled with liberal Democrats who probably feel that the prisoners in gitmo will vote for them
She is right. They should have a trial. It should have been in the field when they were captured. Fighting out of uniform is against the rules of war. In any other war, they would have been given a field trial, put up against a wall and shot.
Perhaps they should be given a field trial now and save us the money and time of trying their sorry buts.
“The Bush administration will also try to slow this down as they do not want their “enhanced interrogation” techniques to come to the open light of day in the United States court system.”
This (and comments) she made in this piece shows she’s nothing more than a liberal shill. I have come to the conclusion that liberals like her are incapable of an original idea. If she had one, I’m convinced that it would die of loneliness.
Those people do not respect out Constitution and would happily destroy it, you, and your son.
THESE PEOPLE ARE TERRORISTS !! WHAT THE H— IS THE MATTER WITH YOU AND YOUR BROTHER?
THIS SUPREME COURT DECISSION IS AN INSULT TO OUR MILITARY AND AN ASSAULT ON OUR
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
I’ll side with Justice Scalia who is in a FAR better position to know than, probably anyone. This is, indeed, a sad and dangerous decision for America.
With the current state of jurisprudence and the state of the practice of law in this society, I would in NO way trust the justice system to deal properly with enemy combatants. NO WAY. Sharp and devious lawyers are legendary in this country (i. e. OJ anyone?) and are capable of getting the worst sleezebags off with slaps on their wrists. No, enemy combatants are NOT our citizens, not on our soil and NOT subject to our court system. Period. Don’t like it? Tough. Do the crime, do the time. Congress needs to reverse the court’s decision in some legislative manner, WHICH IS WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED IN THE FIRST PLACE. Jeez. The dismantling of America continues.
The Constitution, despite what some commenters here seem to to believe, doesn’t exist mainly to describe the rights that citizens (or non-citizens) might enjoy while within the United States or its territories, possessions, etc. Rather, one of the Constitution’s purpose is to describe and limit (and quite often, sharply limit) the authorities and actions that the U. S. Government ma